Two strongest captains.

[Shunsui]

Who are the two strongest captains, of the 13, i believe it is Juushiro and Shunsui only because they both trained under yamanato.

[hitsugayaz]

I think itz hitsugaya n byakuya,u might think nah hitsugaya no....but...u'll c soon enough..*smilez*

[CaptainAizen]

yeah i think its Zaraki and byakuya=]

[shinji]

omg its obviously Aizen And KENPACHI omg wtf you 2 smoking yo

[Alice]

Zaraki and Byakuya obviously.

Lalala

[PaulNothing]

Well Kenny pwnz all (note the avy) and second id have to say Aizen cuz hes like a supergenius and he is wicked awesome

[Lamperouge]

I would have to Say Yama and Aizen ^^
lalalalalala 30 characters

[memories_of_rem]

Here's my view on this. First off Yamamoto has to be one since he is the general commander. I think the other one is probably the fox guy with the basket on his head (can't remember his name and that makes me feel nooby). I say that about him because he is always depicted as being Yamamoto's guard/right hand when you look at things. I don't include Aizen, Tousen, or Gin in this because they aren't captain anymore

[TRuSaint]

Zaraki and Aizen are the two strongest captains in my book
=.=

[John]

Yea Commander Yamamoto and I think the guy with the rose coat shunsui but i forgot his first name ... i would say ukitake but hes a little sick not a good excuse i know but he still cool.

[Stark_Espada]

Yamamoto and shunsui and ukitake is strong to.....

[Alkemi]

Soifon .... Uber cheap
Yamamoto ..... Burn

[Dwargon]

Yamamoto and Shunsui are probably the two strongest

[Abarai_Renji]

yamamoto & zaraki are probably the strongest, idk just my guess.

[sextagrimmjow]

Aizen and urahara there beasts..................

[Avash3]

kenpachi and byakuya ftw! they would pwn all da otherz

[UlquiorraKun]

Aizen is the strongest... there isn`t another reply..

If we don`t count him in.. maybe.. hmmmm... byakuya and kenpachi ^^

[Naru44]

byakuya and kanpachi i agree with that

[Omega]

Urahara and aizen lol

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[jrome]

i say its kenpachi and yamanato....

[ryusenka]

i say jishiro and shunshui cause there the best eva dudes and dudetts

[KibaShikamaru]

i reckon the 2 best are kyouraku shunsui and hitsugaya toshirou

oh but if urahara was still one of the gotei 13 he would be better than hitsugaya

[BankaiMaster]

i say jishiro and shunshui cause there the best eva dudes and dudettsI Agree with you 100%.They say great minds think alike.

[draquan]

Shunsui and that new captain only forgot his name

[flame]

strongest is hitsugaya and KENPACHI

[Rampaging_Demon]

Yamamato(Obviously) and Shunsui are my 2 picks. Ukitake would probably be in there too, but the guy is terminally ill which is why I said Shunsui...
Yes we all know Shunsui and Ukitake are reputably equal. I however think Shunsui is slightly stronger due to Ukitake's illness.

[Funbags]

yamamoto is stronger followed by shunsui and ukitake...who are equal

[Amagai]

Shunsui and that new captain only forgot his name


do u mean amagai? coz it has to be him and kyouraku and ukitake

[dozu]

i think byakuya kuchiki and shunsui^^

[Gin316]

gin ichimaru and byakuya .

[L_Ryuzaki]

i think byakuya and yamamoto and yama didnt use his bankai yet.........

[Anubito_Sora]

omg its obviously Aizen And KENPACHI omg wtf you 2 smoking yo

aizen and kenpachi are the strongest captains good job:D:D:D:D:D:D

[CaptainIchimaru]

gin and aizen are the best .

[yoman13]

aizen, byakuya, and hitsyuga are the best because of their bankai, except for aizen

[UchihaItachi]

byakuya and kenpachi the rocks
33333

[Squad11shimigami]

kenpachi zaraki he is the best captin
he killed one without shikai or bankai
thats raw power

[Silv3rShadow]

Who are the two strongest captains, of the 13, i believe it is Juushiro and Shunsui only because they both trained under yamanato.

yeah no one comes close to those two.

[Madvillian]

Kuchiki Byakuya and Hitsugaya Toushiro

[joninkakashi]

WTF ARE YOU ALL SOMKEING THE STRONGEST ARE kenpachi zaraki and yamamoto...................................

[CaptinHitsugaya]

;):)I think hitsugaya is the strongest you may think no because his been beated alot but you will realize how strong he is verry soon.

I also think that Captin Hitsugaya And Captin ken patchi zaraki and Byakuya make a grate teams and they are the strongets captins.:p;)

[EliteHitsugaya]

ZarakiKenpachi and ToushiroHitsugaya

[mello6886]

Kenpatchi or byakyuya kenpatchi doesnt use is swords powers but he is still so strong.As for Byakyuya i dont need to explain

[ZangetsuX]

bakuya and hitsugaya r the strongest capitans duh

[orochimaru]

kenpachi and byakuya are the stongest captains becausekenpachi fought his way to captain and byakuya because he is strong.

[byakuyarocks]

aizen and byakuya are the strongest

[lildon012]

Kenpachi and Byakuya are the strongest.

[Racius]

if you wanna include Aizen ichimaru and Tousen, Aizen and byakuya, if not Zaraki and Byakuya

[saburwulf1]

toshirou and byakuya

[Ishidate]

Zaraki Kenpachi and Kuchiki Byakuya. Zaraki is strong and Byakuya is cool :)

[Orihime123]

Ukitake and Shunsui... they were trained under Yama and Ukitake would be a lot stronger if not for tuberculosis.

[UnknownMercinary]

Other than the obvious Yammamoto it's apparent that the 2 strongest captains are Kommamura Saijin and Zaraki Kenpachi. Now if we are counting EX-Captains (EX being dismissed, retired or fired) then its definately Isshin Kurosaki and Byakuyas Grandpa. And if we are counting anyone who has EVER been a captain then it would be Aizen Souseken and a toss up between Kensei and Yammamoto (not counting Yammamoto throw in Isshin Kurosaki again).

[Hyonimaru]

2 Strongest eh?
Hmm.
I'll say Yamamoto and Unohana.
If were doing old school...
I'll say Rose and Urahara.

[WilliamPetty]

Hitsugaya, Shinsui and Soi Fong are currentley fighting the top Espada's.

[BB_96]

Byakuya and Yamamato for sure ;)

[Blackcloak]

After Yamamoto, Unohana, Shunsui and Ukitake are next strongest (I can't yet say who is more powerful). I mean, as much as I like Komamura or others like Kenpachi or Byakuya, Yamamoto pretty much stated that as a pair Shunsui and Ukitake are superior to everyone else, and they together with Unohana have the most experience. But if we're counting old captains, I guess it would be current Urahara and Shinji (not counting Aizen obviously).

[Nohoka]

For me... The 2 strongest are... Soi Fong and Kuchiki Byakuya ^^

[darkfox91]

it has to be kenpachi and byakuya

[darkrow]

aizen and gin are the strongest i think

[kurotsuchi]

Yammamoto duh and.....byakuya i guess. Old school i would say urahara and that guy with the red hair and saw looking zanpakutu that has lightning come out of it =/.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3408/mybanner4942daaf62c2dhy1.jpg (http://www.mybannermaker.com/link.php?nurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mybannermaker.com)

[AlMiGhTy]

I think Juushiro and byakuya.

[ronytico]

Hitsugaya and Byakuya....

[Blackcloak]

Hitsugaya and Byakuya....

If that is true, Soul Society is doomed.

[Omega404]

I would have to say, Kyoraku Shinsui and Ukitake.

[Holy_knight]

byakuya and tornado guy, the one who has lots of sakura petals

[KeitaroXSano]

haha Zaraki and Yamamoto

[Rojuro]

Yamamoto and Unohana.

[KeitaroXSano]

I don't know if UnoHana is really strong, I mean what's the best thing she can do?

[stark]

i think that shunsui said that she is very strong or at least hinted to it

i also believe that its yamaoto and unohana

[Nnoitra6]

I Would Say Old man yama and Aizen, If you were not to include Aizen because of his departure then definitely Shunsui and Ukitake Would be tied for 2nd

[KeitaroXSano]

Yea, Pretty Sure, aizen isn't in the ranks of captain anymore lol

[maniac66]

yamamoto and aizen..but if not aizen i think its yamamoto and zaraki..but (i forgot the name) fox head is strong too;)

[hollowstark]

Yammato And Unohana
are the 2 strongest
just wait till you see unohana fight
yammot gonna die
Unohana probably gonna be voted
by central 46 to be new general

[Nnoitra6]

by central 46 to be new general

They were all slain by aizen i believe... Why does everyone seem to think Yamma will Die? He is the strongest captain...

[Suzaku]

They were all slain by aizen i believe... Why does everyone seem to think Yamma will Die? He is the strongest captain...

That doesn't mean that they can't be replaced by other people. And in the Bleach Filler, Yammamoto would've died, but Ichigo saved him from Amagai. Unexpected things can happen you know.

[Rojuro]

That doesn't mean that they can't be replaced by other people. And in the Bleach Filler, Yammamoto would've died, but Ichigo saved him from Amagai. Unexpected things can happen you know.

And in the Bleach Filler, Yammamoto would've died, but Ichigo saved him from Amagai. Unexpected things can happen you know.

And in the Bleach Filler, Yammamoto would've died, but Ichigo saved him from Amagai.

And in the Bleach Filler, Yammamoto would've died.

And in the Bleach Filler.


in the Bleach Filler.

the Bleach Filler.

Bleach Filler.

Filler.

Filler.

'nough said.


I don't know if UnoHana is really strong, I mean what's the best thing she can do?

She apparently commands enough respect from everyone around her - even Ukitake and Shunsui, two people who those here are claiming are the strongest. She was even referred to as "senpai" by them previously, meaning she was their senior at one point. She commanded respect from not only the 11th Division (even in spite of their open hate and loathing to every other member of the 4th Division, even the Lieutenant) and the Exequias. Her entry in the official databook (written by Kubo) also points out that her swordplay skills are her specialty.

Squad flower: bellflower (liking the mourning sovereign)
Caption: genuine elegance

Personal Data
Birthdate: 21st Apr
Height: 159cm
Weight: 45kg
Zanpakutou: Minazuki
Colour of the underside of captain's robe: grayish pink
Interest: Ikebana (flower arrangement)
Speciality: Kendo (sword-fighting)
Food: Likes strong flavoured food. Dislikes bland tasting food.
How to past free time: mountain climbing that involves collecting medicinal herbs

Battle stats
Power: 100
Defence: 80
Mobility: 70
Kidou/Reiatsu: 100
Wisdom: 100
Stamina: 90

Though she has few opportunities to fight at the front line, her offensive skills are nevertheless high! If angered, she could possibly be the most scary captain...

Character description
The only division in the battle-based Gotei 13 squads that specialises in healing and reinforcement and this is the 4th division. Positioned at the rear, the 4th division is in charge of rescuing and healing injured squad members.

With polite mannerisms, she could verbally knock down even the most rustic people who do not listen to words. The mismatch with the mild impression she presents to others is her speciality in swordfighting.

Special Information (Top Secret)
During her off-duty days, she would climb the mountains located in the various zones in Rukongai. As she has been spotted flying on Minazuki by eye witnesses on several occasions, whether she climbed the mountains on her own or not, is a mystery. As she has an interest in flower arrangement, she would gather the 4th division members once a month for ikebana classes (attendance is voluntary). Yachiru also participates in these sessions however, she only eats the snacks given out during breaktimes and after which, she returns to her squad.

[penalu]

Hitsugaya and Byakuya....

[hollowstark]

there is new central 46
if you watch the bounto season

[Devilor]

Yamamoto and shunsui/ukitake/unohana, yamamoto fought shunsui and ukitake at the same time, no scratch on him

[YellerKidd]

first hints: Ikkaku Madarame and Kenpachi Zaraki

other: The Animator and the Director............

^_~

[hitsugayanaruto]

hmmmmmm if now ukitake and yamamaoto or shsunsui and yamamoto or ukitake and shunsui because they didnt finish the battle

if in not so past before Aizen leave then Aizen and yamamoto


if in the loooooooooooong past like b4 110 years i dont know could be shinji or that guy who has some wnid zanpakto he is also a vaizard and he has a normal white hair (forgot name and zanpakto)

in future i am sure it will be hitsugaya toushirou because hitsugaya is strong in his age and he could be 5x stronger if he grow up his reiatsu or in captain lvl already and he knows shikai and bankai already his shikai and bankai could be stronger and stay forever when he grows up

[rochikun19]

hmm well if aizen were still a gotei 13 captain then i'd probably say him and kenpachi, that dude can survive anything lol

now it wud be byakuya and kenpachi

but then again i haven't seen unohana's, kyoraku's and ukitake's full power yet so i really can't decide just yet

[kaylasanime]

if they're able to be ex- captains then i would choose shinji and kisuke.
if not well, bakuya and kenpachi would be strongest. :confused:

[Blackcloak]

if they're able to be ex- captains then i would choose shinji and kisuke.
if not well, bakuya and kenpachi would be strongest. :confused:

Perfect example of fanboyism right here. If it was labeled a popularity poll results would be 100% the same I'm sure of it.

[Wicked_Will]

Well, let's consider this for a moment. I don't think we can really consider Aizen here, as he was only a captain in order to get the Hougyoku (or however it's spelled.) Now, apart from Aizen, Gin and Tosen, let's consider the rest. In terms of pure reishi, Kenpachi obviously has the advantage. However, him not knowing the name of his zanpakutou weakens him, and I think that puts him at a disadvantage over the rest. again, obviously, Yamamoto is definitely one of them, he's pure awesomeness. Now, as for the other one... I'd really have to say either Byakuya or Mayuri. Byakuya because of his ability to transition almost seamlessly between offense and defense, and Mayuri because of his cleverness and ability to survive almost any attack (due to the countless experiments he's performed on himself). And I can't consider Juushiro or Shunsui because I've never seen their zanpakutou in action.

So there's my 2 cents. :P

[Havoc6k]

I say Urahara and Isshin, As for people inside SS, it has to be Yamamato and Unohana ( the 4th squad captain) and Shinsui is 3rd

[Vinpascal]

Toshiro and kenpachi

[Blackcloak]

Toshiro and kenpachi

Eh? Are you talking about this kid?

http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107362/23.jpg
http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107782/02.jpg
http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000108022/16.jpg
http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000108032/11.jpg

...If so, Soul Society can go surrender to Aizen right now in hopes of at least saving their own lives. Or perform seppuku right away.

[AntiRyuko]

Eh? Are you talking about this kid?

http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107362/23.jpg
http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107782/02.jpg
http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000108022/16.jpg
http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000108032/11.jpg

...If so, Soul Society can go surrender to Aizen right now in hopes of at least saving their own lives. Or perform seppuku right away.

I gotta give you that one..
Toushiro is probably the WEAKEST captain.
(I forgot what i was gonna say. xD)

[Havoc6k]

I gotta give you that one..
Toushiro is probably the WEAKEST captain.
(I forgot what i was gonna say. xD)

I have to disagree there, of all the captains his the only one that always has new moves, also his bankai is still immature, don't remember who said this but I think it was that scorpion arrancar that came to earth. I think that fox guy or myuri is weaker than hitsugaya. That and the ice dragon looks fREAKIN AWESOME

[Blackcloak]

I have to disagree there, of all the captains his the only one that always has new moves, also his bankai is still immature, don't remember who said this but I think it was that scorpion arrancar that came to earth. I think that fox guy or myuri is weaker than hitsugaya. That and the ice dragon looks fREAKIN AWESOME

Being "fREAKIN AWESOME" hardly makes him stronger. How can Mayuri, whose poison is an instant kill Hitsugaya cannot counter, lose to him? As for Komamura, if you read the manga,

He tossed around a stronger and released Fraccion than the one Hitsu fought, while Hitsu was losing to Shawlong with at least his full shikai power (limiter removed - x5 power, bankai - x5-x10 power).

[Havoc6k]

Being "fREAKIN AWESOME" hardly makes him stronger. How can Mayuri, whose poison is an instant kill Hitsugaya cannot counter, lose to him? As for Komamura, if you read the manga,

He tossed around a stronger and released Fraccion than the one Hitsu fought, while Hitsu was losing to Shawlong with at least his full shikai power (limiter removed - x5 power, bankai - x5-x10 power).

The fox guy just doesn't seem strong to me, Zaraki took both him and Tousen at the same time. Also Hitsugaya always grows stronger after each fight, his like freaking goku, another thing that i see is that The fox guy will fight tousen and hitsugaya will fight Gin. (im too lazy to look for the manga now) but in the SS chapters he has an encounter with gin and its likely they will fight... Gin > Tousen , Hence, Hitsugaya > fox guy. As for myuri i dont see how he can win. Hitsugaya is immortal near water. Im pretty sure his sword is stronger, he just cant use it yet. It IS the most powerful ice type sword anyway.

[Blackcloak]

The fox guy just doesn't seem strong to me, Zaraki took both him and Tousen at the same time. Also Hitsugaya always grows stronger after each fight, his like freaking goku, another thing that i see is that The fox guy will fight tousen and hitsugaya will fight Gin. (im too lazy to look for the manga now) but in the SS chapters he has an encounter with gin and its likely they will fight... Gin > Tousen , Hence, Hitsugaya > fox guy. As for myuri i dont see how he can win. Hitsugaya is immortal near water. Im pretty sure his sword is stronger, he just cant use it yet. It IS the most powerful ice type sword anyway.

Uh, what? It was shikai fight, if they both went bankai and cooperated Zaraki would have zero chance of surviving. You think, say, shikai Byakuya and shikai Hitsugaya together could do something to Kenpachi? Shikai Hitsu is weaker than Shawlong, mind you. Who fights whom, we cannot know for sure, and we certainly cant predict the outcome already. From the evidence we have, Hitsugaya doesn't stand a slightest chance against Komamura. As for "the most powerful ice zan in SS", it's not like he has any competition (Rukia? Isane? Lol no). Komamura is also a wielder of strongest pure power zan is SS, now what?
Besides we are going off-topic, this isn't the weakest but strongest captain thread. What I wanted to say is that there's no way in hell Hitsu is one of the strongest.

[YellerKidd]

Captain Kurotsuchi Mayuri and Captain Zaraki Kenpachi

I guess!

[Havoc6k]

Uh, what? It was shikai fight, if they both went bankai and cooperated Zaraki would have zero chance of surviving. You think, say, shikai Byakuya and shikai Hitsugaya together could do something to Kenpachi? Shikai Hitsu is weaker than Shawlong, mind you. Who fights whom, we cannot know for sure, and we certainly cant predict the outcome already. From the evidence we have, Hitsugaya doesn't stand a slightest chance against Komamura. As for "the most powerful ice zan in SS", it's not like he has any competition (Rukia? Isane? Lol no). Komamura is also a wielder of strongest pure power zan is SS, now what?
Besides we are going off-topic, this isn't the weakest but strongest captain thread. What I wanted to say is that there's no way in hell Hitsu is one of the strongest.

??? I dont think you remember it clearly, Tousen went bankai and so did the fox guy, after zaraki owned tousen, he blocked one hit from the fox guy's bankai. Then he sensed yamamato's release and ran off. Zaraki blocked it like it was nothing. im not sure if this happend in the manga, i only started reading the manga after the ss chapter. Hitsugaya is one of the youngest captains ever, Im sure he dosn't have as much experience as the other captains but im also pretty sure that hitsugaya will beat the fox guy. Ice is powerful, dont underestimate it.

[Blackcloak]

??? I dont think you remember it clearly, Tousen went bankai and so did the fox guy, after zaraki owned tousen, he blocked one hit from the fox guy's bankai. Then he sensed yamamato's release and ran off. Zaraki blocked it like it was nothing. im not sure if this happend in the manga, i only started reading the manga after the ss chapter. Hitsugaya is one of the youngest captains ever, Im sure he dosn't have as much experience as the other captains but im also pretty sure that hitsugaya will beat the fox guy. Ice is powerful, dont underestimate it.

WHAT???

It never happened nor in anime, nor in manga. I saw and read this fight over 9000 times. Giant never made a single strike in the anime, nor in manga SS arc. it one-shotted Po like nothing And I am not underestimating Hitsu, I gave you evidence that he couldnt beat unreleased Shawlong in shikai with his "underestimated" ice, while Komamura held his own against released Po using nothing more but his hands. All you just gave me were nothing more than assumptions or beliefs.

And once again, this is not the "weakest captain" thread. If you are saying Hitsugaya is one of the strongest captains then you must be reading the wrong manga.

[Havoc6k]

I never sed he was one of the stronger captains, i just sed his not the weakest. Heres a thing to consider... When that fight of hitsugaya and shawlong occured, the whole espada deal was still new. Also Hitsugaya was already in bankai before he released his limit, hence , you cannot say that hitsugaya in full shikai power could not beat shawlong. The captains really can't be the same level as they were wen that occured. My bad, the fox guy didn't hit at all, but zaraki did beat tousen wen tousen used bankai. Its true that i was just assuming some stuff, but you can't compare the encounter prior to the fights happening now

[Blackcloak]

I never sed he was one of the stronger captains, i just sed his not the weakest. Heres a thing to consider... When that fight of hitsugaya and shawlong occured, the whole espada deal was still new. Also Hitsugaya was already in bankai before he released his limit, hence , you cannot say that hitsugaya in full shikai power could not beat shawlong. The captains really can't be the same level as they were wen that occured. My bad, the fox guy didn't hit at all, but zaraki did beat tousen wen tousen used bankai. Its true that i was just assuming some stuff, but you can't compare the encounter prior to the fights happening now

Uh what? I gave you the numbers of power increase levels, they prove that full shikai Hitsu cannot beat Shawlong because boost from a bankai is higher than boost of a limiter.
I CAN compare encounters prior and now, I don't care how Kubo re-evaluates his power levels because what had happened has already happened and if we are using logic we won't close our eyes on this.
And besides, for the 3rd time, THIS DISCUSSION DOES NOT BELONG HERE, in this thread I only wanted to show that there is no way in hell he is the strongest. If you want to debate with me about him being weakest, take it somewhere else.

[Fallen_Soul]

Gin and Aizen They Are Super Strong Who Ever Said Hitsugaya Is Slow Tousen Is Tha Man TOO

[hitsugayanaruto]

Hitsugaya probably sucks at his age so he cant be the strongest now.however, he will in the future maybe if he grew up he would have killed the 2nd Espada and the bankai will stay like forever+his reiatsu will grow and he will get more powerful in some stuff i dunno but the shinigami gets stronger when he grow up and build relationship with his zapaktou.

So my guess now is either shinji and urahara or shinji and kyoraku or kyoraku and ukitakie

Maybe ukitakie is the strongest after all if he wasnt sick.

[Havoc6k]

Uh what? I gave you the numbers of power increase levels, they prove that full shikai Hitsu cannot beat Shawlong because boost from a bankai is higher than boost of a limiter.
I CAN compare encounters prior and now, I don't care how Kubo re-evaluates his power levels because what had happened has already happened and if we are using logic we won't close our eyes on this.
And besides, for the 3rd time, THIS DISCUSSION DOES NOT BELONG HERE, in this thread I only wanted to show that there is no way in hell he is the strongest. If you want to debate with me about him being weakest, take it somewhere else.

Ok, let me put it simply. When yourichi shows ichigo how to get bankai in 3 days; she says bankai can be up to 10x stronger than shikai. We can safely say that hitsugaya's bankai is NOT 10x stronger as Shawlong says his bankai is still immature. Therefore you can't say anything. let me do the math
The limiter compresses 80% of their power. (stay with me here) If shika is 100% then max bankai would be 1000%. with the limiter his power is 200% thats double shikai, however the fact that his bankai isnt at max level can mean the following: Shikai = 100% and bankai = 400%. ( that is possible, u never know, he is young and lacks experience compared to others) that means that in bankai his power would only be 80% ( with the limiter) thats 20% less that full power at shikai. Also you dont seem to read properly, i know you said this dosn't belong here, you still insist that i think his the strongest captain, i have no idea where you got that from.... I DID NOT SAY HE IS THE STRONGEST, I JUST SAID HE WAS NOT THE WEAKEST. My original point was that hitsugaya was not the weakest, judging by nature of swords i can think of two captains off the top of my head that hitsugaya can beat, namely byakuya and myuri. Ice can freeze all of that cherry blossoms, and WTF is poison going to do against ice? poison don't play that game.

[Blackcloak]

Ok, let me put it simply. When yourichi shows ichigo how to get bankai in 3 days; she says bankai can be up to 10x stronger than shikai. We can safely say that hitsugaya's bankai is NOT 10x stronger as Shawlong says his bankai is still immature. Therefore you can't say anything. let me do the math
The limiter compresses 80% of their power. (stay with me here) If shika is 100% then max bankai would be 1000%. with the limiter his power is 200% thats double shikai, however the fact that his bankai isnt at max level can mean the following: Shikai = 100% and bankai = 400%. ( that is possible, u never know, he is young and lacks experience compared to others) that means that in bankai his power would only be 80% ( with the limiter) thats 20% less that full power at shikai. Also you dont seem to read properly, i know you said this dosn't belong here, you still insist that i think his the strongest captain, i have no idea where you got that from.... I DID NOT SAY HE IS THE STRONGEST, I JUST SAID HE WAS NOT THE WEAKEST. My original point was that hitsugaya was not the weakest, judging by nature of swords i can think of two captains off the top of my head that hitsugaya can beat, namely byakuya and myuri. Ice can freeze all of that cherry blossoms, and WTF is poison going to do against ice? poison don't play that game.

...Geez.
First of all, THIS IS NOT THE WEAKEST CAPTAIN DEBATE so it does not belong here. I don't know how to get through to you >.<
Secondly, "we never know" part goes against what Yoruichi says, would mean Hitsu's bankai is very weak anyway, and besides, Shawlong wasn't even released at the time. Meaning chances of shikai Hitsu losing to released Shawlong are 99,(9)%. And ice is simply not powerful enough to defeat Byakuya or Mayuri, you could also say he has the elemental advantage against Yamamoto. Please stop with this debate and take it somewhere else if you want to, this is "strongest" captain debate => we are going off-topic.

[Havoc6k]

......wow, you keep saying that but yet you stil reply. "ice is simply not powerful to defeat byakuya or mayuri" what kinda bs is that? you clearly dont know how strong ice is. When frozen, the person encased in ice can split into a million pieces. Absolute zero >>>> all. btw, how does he have an advantage over yamamato? when ice is heated it turns to water, however at the tempreture ryuujinjakka burns it will evaporate water.... His bankai is weak, again you keep missing my point. All i said was his not the weakest. Btw if you look back a few pages, all i said was that i disagree with hitsugaya being labled as the weakest captain, you turned it into a debate. STRONGEST CAPTAIN IS UNOHANA, again, thats my opinion, no need to turn it into a debate

[Xiraiya]

It has been obvious for quite sometime who the strongest captains are.

Unohana is supposedly stronger than Ukitake and Shunsui since they both refer to her as their senior and are both very afraid of her getting mad in general.

The Databook also explains that her swordsmanship is unrivaled at it's peak. She was also able to "just" see through Aizens complete Hypnosis which technically means she has to be just about on Par with him and Yamamoto.

And so far in all encounters with her no one has dared to fight her in Hueco Mundo, which is very funny considering 4th Squads reputation.


I don't normally count Yamamoto as a normal captain, so I'm going to say Ukitake is likely the second strongest next to Unohana.


Kenpachi actually ranks very low in the power ranking of all the captains "overall" he only has insane Reiatsu.

CAPTAIN STATS
For those interested


Yamamoto Genryusai

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 100
Mobility: 100, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 60

Tite's note:
General is almost totally overpowered, however his old age has chipped away at his stamina...

Soifon

Reiatsu: 80, Defence: 60
Mobility: 100, Kidou: 60
Wisdom: 60, Stamina: 100

Tite's note:
Small aerodynamic physique allows for increased speed. When combo'd with her high attack power and near perfect constitution she is very dangerous.

Ichimaru Gin

Reiatsu: 80, Defence: 80
Mobility: 80, Kidou: 80
Wisdom: 80, Stamina: 80

Tite's note:
Every one of his abilities are considerably high, very well rounded and is an all-round fighter.

Unohana Retsu

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 80
Mobility: 70, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 90

Tite's note:
She has few opportunities to fight at the battlefront, but her combat skills are nevertheless high! If agitated, she could possibly be the most feared captain...

Aizen Sousuke

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 90
Mobility: 90, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 80

Tites's note:
All his abilities are high. His overall abilities are elite even compared to the Gotei 13 squad captains.

Kuchiki Byakuya

Reiatsu: 90, Defence: 80
Mobility: 90, Kidou: 90
Wisdom: 90, Stamina: 70

Tite's note:
Combat stats are high, showing Captain Kuchiki's preference towards combat. These abilities are flawless.

Komamura Sajin

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 100
Mobility: 40, Kidou: 50
Wisdom: 80, Stamina: 100

Tite's note:
Boasting a gigantic physique, Captain Komamura is able to hold off opponents with brute strength. A power fighter who fights openly without resorting to petty tricks.

Kyouraku Shunsui

Reiatsu: 90, Defence: 90
Mobility: 90, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 90, Stamina: 70

Tite's note:
His abilities are more than deserving of Captain Class; his weakness residing in his relaxed attitude resulting in him easing up during a fight.

Kaname Tousen

Reiatsu: 70, Defence: 70
Mobility: 80, Kidou: 90
Wisdom: 90, Stamina: 60

Tite's note:
Suited for combat that involves intelligence and strategy than conventional combat.

Hitsugaya Toushirou

Reiatsu: 80, Defence: 80
Mobility: 90, Kidou: 90
Wisdom: 80, Stamina: 80

Tite's note:
Every one of his abilities are considerably high. Due to his ability to adapt to various combat scenarios, he is most-always included on vital missions.

Zaraki Kenpachi

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 80
Mobility: 60, Kidou: 0
Wisdom: 50, Stamina: 100

Tite's note:
Possesses extremely high offensive power and stamina, but his efficiency with kidou ranks the lowest amongst captains.

Kurotshuchi Mayuri

Reiatsu: 70, Defence: 70
Mobility: 40, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 50

Tite's note:
Though his combat power is weak, his wisdom and kidou are outstanding. Very efficient in deception.

Ukitake Jyuushiro

Reiatsu: 90, Defence: 90
Mobility: 70, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 40

Tite's note:
His illness restrains him in Ugendou most of the time. The only slight uncertainty is his stamina.

[Havoc6k]

It has been obvious for quite sometime who the strongest captains are.

Unohana is supposedly stronger than Ukitake and Shunsui since they both refer to her as their senior and are both very afraid of her getting mad in general.

The Databook also explains that her swordsmanship is unrivaled at it's peak. She was also able to "just" see through Aizens complete Hypnosis which technically means she has to be just about on Par with him and Yamamoto.

And so far in all encounters with her no one has dared to fight her in Hueco Mundo, which is very funny considering 4th Squads reputation.


I don't normally count Yamamoto as a normal captain, so I'm going to say Ukitake is likely the second strongest next to Unohana.


Kenpachi actually ranks very low in the power ranking of all the captains "overall" he only has insane Reiatsu.

CAPTAIN STATS
For those interested


Yamamoto Genryusai

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 100
Mobility: 100, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 60

Tite's note:
General is almost totally overpowered, however his old age has chipped away at his stamina...

Soifon

Reiatsu: 80, Defence: 60
Mobility: 100, Kidou: 60
Wisdom: 60, Stamina: 100

Tite's note:
Small aerodynamic physique allows for increased speed. When combo'd with her high attack power and near perfect constitution she is very dangerous.

Ichimaru Gin

Reiatsu: 80, Defence: 80
Mobility: 80, Kidou: 80
Wisdom: 80, Stamina: 80

Tite's note:
Every one of his abilities are considerably high, very well rounded and is an all-round fighter.

Unohana Retsu

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 80
Mobility: 70, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 90

Tite's note:
She has few opportunities to fight at the battlefront, but her combat skills are nevertheless high! If agitated, she could possibly be the most feared captain...

Aizen Sousuke

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 90
Mobility: 90, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 80

Tites's note:
All his abilities are high. His overall abilities are elite even compared to the Gotei 13 squad captains.

Kuchiki Byakuya

Reiatsu: 90, Defence: 80
Mobility: 90, Kidou: 90
Wisdom: 90, Stamina: 70

Tite's note:
Combat stats are high, showing Captain Kuchiki's preference towards combat. These abilities are flawless.

Komamura Sajin

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 100
Mobility: 40, Kidou: 50
Wisdom: 80, Stamina: 100

Tite's note:
Boasting a gigantic physique, Captain Komamura is able to hold off opponents with brute strength. A power fighter who fights openly without resorting to petty tricks.

Kyouraku Shunsui

Reiatsu: 90, Defence: 90
Mobility: 90, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 90, Stamina: 70

Tite's note:
His abilities are more than deserving of Captain Class; his weakness residing in his relaxed attitude resulting in him easing up during a fight.

Kaname Tousen

Reiatsu: 70, Defence: 70
Mobility: 80, Kidou: 90
Wisdom: 90, Stamina: 60

Tite's note:
Suited for combat that involves intelligence and strategy than conventional combat.

Hitsugaya Toushirou

Reiatsu: 80, Defence: 80
Mobility: 90, Kidou: 90
Wisdom: 80, Stamina: 80

Tite's note:
Every one of his abilities are considerably high. Due to his ability to adapt to various combat scenarios, he is most-always included on vital missions.

Zaraki Kenpachi

Reiatsu: 100, Defence: 80
Mobility: 60, Kidou: 0
Wisdom: 50, Stamina: 100

Tite's note:
Possesses extremely high offensive power and stamina, but his efficiency with kidou ranks the lowest amongst captains.

Kurotshuchi Mayuri

Reiatsu: 70, Defence: 70
Mobility: 40, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 50

Tite's note:
Though his combat power is weak, his wisdom and kidou are outstanding. Very efficient in deception.

Ukitake Jyuushiro

Reiatsu: 90, Defence: 90
Mobility: 70, Kidou: 100
Wisdom: 100, Stamina: 40

Tite's note:
His illness restrains him in Ugendou most of the time. The only slight uncertainty is his stamina.


I agree with that :D but i think shinsui would be stronger than ukitake, only because of his illness. I also don't consider yamamato as a normal captain. It's kinda obvious that zaraki is lower now as he fought #5 who is considerably weaker than #0 - #4. then again we haven't seen a release, im hoping he has one.

[Hellcats666]

I agree with that :D but i think shinsui would be stronger than ukitake, only because of his illness. I also don't consider yamamato as a normal captain. It's kinda obvious that zaraki is lower now as he fought #5 who is considerably weaker than #0 - #4. then again we haven't seen a release, im hoping he has one.

As weak as Kenpachi is(stat wise). I think its clear that, if Tite decided to allow him Shikai and Bankai, he would completely trample Aizen, Unohana and Yamamoto. Possibly all 3 at once even. If we are talking about current power though and not "what could be" then its clear Unohana and Ukitake/shunsui would be the top 2 most powerful. Not including Yamamoto of course.

[Xiraiya]

Kenpachi has the greatest potential in the entire show (Ichigo by stupid means probably has as much potential as well)

But sadly, Kenpachi already has Shikai and Kubo himself stated that he will NOT be giving Kenpachi Bankai

[hitsugayanaruto]

I agree with Hellcats about Shunsui and Ukitakies power.however,we still cant judge Uohanas power in fighting yet i mean we didnt see how she fought did we.

but yeah still cats could still be right i mean Unohana does seem powerful

[Hyonimaru]

I agree with Hellcats about Shunsui and Ukitakies power.however,we still cant judge Uohanas power in fighting yet i mean we didnt see how she fought did we.

but yeah still cats could still be right i mean Unohana does seem powerful

Unohana must be epic. =\
Unless Databooks lie. o.o
And not to mention..

Also according to the former captains of the 5th and 7th Division, respectively, she can be very frightening as the look on their faces implied they would never want to get on her bad side (they noted that being destroyed by Shigekuni Yamamoto-Genryūsai's Bankai would be a preferable fate).
- Just in case you didn't know former 5th: Shinji, former 7th: Love

She also totalize the third highest stat points (540/600), just behind Aizen and Yamamoto (560/600 each) .

[Xiraiya]

I agree with Hellcats about Shunsui and Ukitakies power.however,we still cant judge Uohanas power in fighting yet i mean we didnt see how she fought did we.



Did you read the information I posted that was written by Kubo Tite the Author of Bleach?

There is no "oh um we can't judge yet" considering the Databook tells you she is the strongest behind Aizen and Yamamoto.

[Aqua]

I think Ukitake & Unohana (not counting yamamoto cuz his the general)


I might be wrong,but i heard from somewhere that Ukitake and Shunsui might have a shared bankai.

[Havoc6k]

Its true that zaraki's zan is already in shikai form, but he dosn't know the name, it would be much more powerful if he knew the name of his sword. Unohana is definitely strong, shes the only one who never drew her sword in battle. Also why would a team of arrancar (they not exactly weak) avoid combat with a captain who is from squad 4

[hitsugayanaruto]

Did you read the information I posted that was written by Kubo Tite the Author of Bleach?

There is no "oh um we can't judge yet" considering the Databook tells you she is the strongest behind Aizen and Yamamoto.Ummm i did read the information u posted but i i thought that was your opinion bot from the Title Kubo in that case we could judge but i didntt say that we cant give an opnion.

lol almost forget if it is from title kubo she is strong well probably but i wasnt sure what to say about her.

listen u know what just forget what i said plzzzzzzz

[prcy]

i think the tow strongest captAINS ar yamamoto and zaraki definetly not hitsugaya be cause if u notice he use his bankai way 2 freely and put into tight situations easily where he has 2 use it

Its true that zaraki's zan is already in shikai form, but he dosn't know the name, it would be much more powerful if he knew the name of his sword. Unohana is definitely strong, shes the only one who never drew her sword in battle. Also why would a team of arrancar (they not exactly weak) avoid combat with a captain who is from squad 4

how his swrod in shikai it was always like dat evn in the flashbacks

[UnknownMercinary]

Kenpachis sword burst into Shikai, from the sheer overload of power kenny gives out. But he doesn't know the name of it, like Yumichika uses a different name for his sword, because the real name is too powerful, Kenpachi doesnt know his swords name, which lowers its power.

I beleive the two current strongest captains are (I'm not gonna count Yamma because he is obvious) Shunsui and Unohana. They have been around longer than every other known captain, excluding Cptn. Tuberculousis.

[prcy]

Kenpachis sword burst into Shikai, from the sheer overload of power kenny gives out. But he doesn't know the name of it, like Yumichika uses a different name for his sword, because the real name is too powerful, Kenpachi doesnt know his swords name, which lowers its power.

I beleive the two current strongest captains are (I'm not gonna count Yamma because he is obvious) Shunsui and Unohana. They have been around longer than every other known captain, excluding Cptn. Tuberculousis.

yumichika doesnt use his real shikai cause it a kidou based shikai and zaraki thnks those types are punks and zaraki swrod was always like dat so ur sayin it was in shikai all this time evn in flashbacks

[UnknownMercinary]

Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. You can look it up if you don't beleive me.

[prcy]

Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. You can look it up if you don't beleive me.

i dnt have 2 look it up ill take ur wrd on it this time^^

[CBT1MAN]

Would have to be Yamaji and Shunsui, I would say ukitake but everytime he over does it he coughs up blood. Aizen, Gin and Tousen don't count cuz there not apart of the 13 anymore. And not kenpachi cuz even soifon can kill him with her shiki by stabing him 2 times in the same spot that would be easy considering he does really protect himself

[BlackSlob]

It is got to be head captain Yamamoto and Zaraki because he is beast and will someday achieve bankai pwning all that he versus.

[Hellcats666]

Hate to break it to you but Kubo himself stated that Kenpachi will never achieve Bankai. Zaraki is already stronger then Bankai level captains and has yet to learn the name of his shikai. Granting him Bankai would make him atleast 3x stronger then either Aizen or Yamamoto.

[Holy_knight]

i would say shunsui and the 4th captain she is quite...scary

[Voltekka]

The 2 strongest are Hitsugaya and Shunsui;)

[UnknownMercinary]

HAHAHAHAHA, you think hitsugaya is the strongest... Ohhhh, thats something i havent heard in a while... haha.
No... Hitsugaya is what happens when mangaku get to like one character too much.

Two strongest in pure brute strength are Komamura/Kenny
Two strongest in kido are Byakuya/Unohana
Two strongest in intelligence are Cptn Tuberculosus/Mayuri
Two strongest in general would be Shunsui/Unohana
Two strongest in speed would be SoiFon(g)/Byakuya

Leaving out yammamoto for obvious reasons.

[Voltekka]

hey that's your opinion and this is mine

[Hyonimaru]

HAHAHAHAHA, you think hitsugaya is the strongest... Ohhhh, thats something i havent heard in a while... haha.
No... Hitsugaya is what happens when mangaku get to like one character too much.

Two strongest in pure brute strength are Komamura/Kenny
Two strongest in kido are Byakuya/Unohana
Two strongest in intelligence are Cptn Tuberculosus/Mayuri
Two strongest in general would be Shunsui/Unohana
Two strongest in speed would be SoiFon(g)/Byakuya

Leaving out yammamoto for obvious reasons.

I consider Shunsui and Ukitake to be on Equal terms as of now, until their bankai has been shown, and this thread doesn't state current. So Yoruichi > Soifon in everything. I would have to place Urahara, Yoruichi, and Rose as being one of the strongest in general as well with Uki, Shunsui, Unohana.

[SoulVenom]

Kenpachi and Ukitake definatly!!!

[Crimmsin]

Shuunsui and The Genaral Commander its pretty obvious.

[UnknownMercinary]

Hyon, i was only counting current captains...Other wise aizen would just dominate virtually everything.

[CapnKensei]

I would have to place Urahara, Yoruichi, and Rose as being one of the strongest in general as well with Uki, Shunsui, Unohana.

what about shinji kensei and love? :D

[Hyonimaru]

what about shinji kensei and love? :D

I consider Rose to be greater then them.
@UM: I say Urahara can match Aizen, or at least put up on hell of a fight.

[CapnKensei]

rose greater than kensei and love i can understand
but even greater than shinji? :eek:
where do you get these ideas?
not trying to be mean just curious :)

[BryantTehpwn]

Strongest? eh,pretty much anyone can pull off a super duper strong attack in this show.
Hitsugaya is not one of the strongest he relys on his bankai for everything and utterly fails 3/4 the time.

Current captain wise:Yamamoto,Byakuya
Old captains:Aizen,Yamamoto.

[Greedo]

In my opinion yamamoto and kyoraku....and i now that yoruichi is no more:D...but i think she is really strong and fast and nice:D

[Gawain]

with hitsugaya I agree on bryant all the way. but the two strongest captains to me are Yamamoto and kyoraku. kyoraku just has to be stronger then he looks. I mean he trained under yama and he has the bankai he is so reluctant to use.

[nucl3ar]

Hmm well if i can pick past captains It would HAVE to be gin and shinji

[ChaosReaper7]

hmmm this is very hard to say, in normal hand to hand combat, or just blade to blade, ill say kenpachi and yama...but for the purpose of an overall power awnser, ill say ukitake and kyoraku, since they havnt released their bankai yet and they trained under yama

[Scapeman198]

My opinion,
Kuchiki, and Zaraki

[LadyRukia]

i want to say Toushiro and Byakuya are the strongest

[slayer714]

Hitsugaya is one of the best and kenpachi pwnz !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hyonimaru]

Hitsugaya is one of the best and kenpachi pwnz !!!!!!!!!!!!

Hitsugaya fails as a captain. >.>

[LadyRukia]

Hitsugaya is the best!!

[Hyonimaru]

Hitsugaya is the best!!

Not even close.

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[UnknownMercinary]

Hey now hyon, be nice...Kubo is still his number one fanboy, so he has gotta be somewhat "powerful"

But I think we can all agree than in terms of general strength as fas as captains go. Shunsui-Unohana-Ukitake are all about the same level. And the strongestest

[Hellcats666]

I would probably place Unohana above Shunsui and Ukitake. Shes easily the most intimidating Captain shown so far and was the only one to have actually seen through Aizen's shikai, if only a little.

[LadyRukia]

i like Jushiro Ukitake also but i havent seen his bankai...yet

[johnellwest]

Unohana and Byakushi(Byakuya)

[Axoyothe]

Gin and Soi Fon (Toushi) ... :cool:

[streetcong]

I like Shunsui and Ukitake.. really good captains

[Jooji]

I think Hitsugaya and Byakuya are the strongest and coolest captains.

[NocheDelSol]

I would probably place Unohana above Shunsui and Ukitake. Shes easily the most intimidating Captain shown so far and was the only one to have actually seen through Aizen's shikai, if only a little.

I agree on that. As the three are the oldest captains besides Yamamoto, it's implied that they are also the strongest. All of the other captains are relatively new, so their predecessors either died or were "promoted" (like the captain of the twelfth squad in Turn Back the Pendulum). Unohana, Kyoraku, and Ukitake are the only remaining captains. As Kyoraku was able to defeat Stark fairly easily and flat-out stated that he was stronger than Hitsugaya, he has to be one of the strongest captains. Every other captain struggled in their fights against lower Espada, whereas Kyoraku escaped his battle without serious injuries.

So, if Kyoraku is rough the same age as Unohana and Ukitake, and the three of them are the only remaining captains of the old guard besides Yamamoto, they must be the strongest captains.

[Hellcats666]

I agree on that. As the three are the oldest captains besides Yamamoto, it's implied that they are also the strongest. All of the other captains are relatively new, so their predecessors either died or were "promoted" (like the captain of the twelfth squad in Turn Back the Pendulum). Unohana, Kyoraku, and Ukitake are the only remaining captains. As Kyoraku was able to defeat Stark fairly easily and flat-out stated that he was stronger than Hitsugaya, he has to be one of the strongest captains. Every other captain struggled in their fights against lower Espada, whereas Kyoraku escaped his battle without serious injuries.

So, if Kyoraku is rough the same age as Unohana and Ukitake, and the three of them are the only remaining captains of the old guard besides Yamamoto, they must be the strongest captains.

People seem to ignore that fact that, depending on a captains Zanpakuto, their level of power doesn't matter. Fact is, Hitsugaya fought somebody that could melt his ice and Soifon fought somebody who she couldn't use melee against, or for that matter range.

Shunsui was given a Zanpakuto that allows kubo to use him as a plot shield, because there are no limits to the number of retarded abilities shunsui can suddenly have that will TKO anybody hes fighting. I mean look at what he did to Starrk, that attack could basically beat ANYBODY. Even Aizen or Yama would fall in one hit do to how the stupid abilities work.

[Axoyothe]

Actually , Gin and Hitsu ... not Soi Fon ... :P

[Hellcats666]

Actually , Gin and Hitsu ... not Soi Fon ... :P
What are you talking about?

[NocheDelSol]

Actually , Gin and Hitsu ... not Soi Fon ... :P

Hitsu isn't, because Kyoraku is stronger. According to Kyoraku, it'd take Hitsu ~100 years to reach his level.

[Hellcats666]

Hitsu isn't, because Kyoraku is stronger. According to Kyoraku, it'd take Hitsu ~100 years to reach his level.

Well the joke about that is that Shunsui is really just saying that Hitsugaya will always bee around 100 years behind him in skill, after all even if Hitsugaya becomes stronger in 100 years, so will Shunsui.

[NocheDelSol]

Though, Hitsu's a prodigy, so he's improving far more quickly than normal. Kyoraku, on the other hand, has had thousands of years worth of experience and training. For a much younger captain to be able to reach that level in just a hundred years means that Kyoraku can't possibly be improving at nearly the rate that Hitsu is. For now, Kyoraku is stronger, but Hitsu will probably overtake him eventually.

Also, as Aizen said, at some point every shinigami will reach their limit. Kyoraku may or may not be there yet, but Hitsu most definitely is not. Hitsu has far more time to develop his powers than Kyoraku will, as he's so much younger.

[Hellcats666]

Though, Hitsu's a prodigy, so he's improving far more quickly than normal. Kyoraku, on the other hand, has had thousands of years worth of experience and training. For a much younger captain to be able to reach that level in just a hundred years means that Kyoraku can't possibly be improving at nearly the rate that Hitsu is. For now, Kyoraku is stronger, but Hitsu will probably overtake him eventually.

Also, as Aizen said, at some point every shinigami will reach their limit. Kyoraku may or may not be there yet, but Hitsu most definitely is not. Hitsu has far more time to develop his powers than Kyoraku will, as he's so much younger.

I think whats funny is that, from what it sounds like, all Shinigami have a limit that they hit, which could possibly be around Yama's level. So I can only imagine an entire squad of nothing but Yama level shinigami because you just cant progress any further. As for Shunsui though, hes nowhere near his limit, hes still very young when compared to somebody like Yamamoto who was still ancient before even Shunsui joined the Academy.

[SoulVenom]

I would have to agree with hellcats and say that Shunsui is one of the strongest because of his zanpakto
and i also think Amagai is strong too. Ichigo could barely handle him and had to resort to reason to get amagai to kill himself.

[NocheDelSol]

I think whats funny is that, from what it sounds like, all Shinigami have a limit that they hit, which could possibly be around Yama's level. So I can only imagine an entire squad of nothing but Yama level shinigami because you just cant progress any further. As for Shunsui though, hes nowhere near his limit, hes still very young when compared to somebody like Yamamoto who was still ancient before even Shunsui joined the Academy.

The one thing with that is...what about Aizen? If Yamamoto could have stopped him, then he would probably have gone on the offensive already. So, it would seem, each shinigami has their own non-comparative limit.

would have to agree with hellcats and say that Shunsui is one of the strongest because of his zanpakto
and i also think Amagai is strong too. Ichigo could barely handle him and had to resort to reason to get amagai to kill himself.

Amagai dont count hes filllllllllllllllerz

[Hellcats666]

The one thing with that is...what about Aizen? If Yamamoto could have stopped him, then he would probably have gone on the offensive already. So, it would seem, each shinigami has their own non-comparative limit.

By that logic, Yamamoto is also weaker then Gin, Tousen and all of the top 3 Espada's Fraccion. Yamamoto simply refuses to battle, which is quite retarded.

[NocheDelSol]

Yamamoto is retarded, no question about that. >_>

[JustShorty]

Well he'd stop to be retarded when he joins the battle at last.
Every captain is powerfull by his own way,so it can't be really decided - everybody will just tell their favourites.But if we count even the former captains,i'd say Yamamoto & Aizen.

[RoronoaFerdi]

Yamamoto and kenpachi :rolleyes: without hesitation :D

[NocheDelSol]

I'm not so sure about Kenpachi. In terms of physical, whacking-the-crap out-of-people fights, he's monstrous, but without any real magical moves he could be at a disadvantage. It depends on what kind of strength you mean--physical, spell-wise, or overall.

[cilraw]

for me it is soifon and the ex-captain yoruichi!
they can kill everybody with shuko

[NocheDelSol]

...That's the only reason...?

Shunko's strong, but Soifon is a relative newbie and Yoruichi's been out of commission for a century.

[Hyonimaru]

Well, just cause she's out of commission doesn't mean she can't give a whoop ass to someone. I'd place her pretty high as in terms of the strongest captain along side with Urahara. I'd give it to Hikifune hands down, but she's former.

[NocheDelSol]

That's true, but I don't think she'd quite qualify as one of the strongest.

[iDarkness]

Yamamoto couse he's the general commander .. and kenpachi of course. :D

[NocheDelSol]

Reasons? Yes? No?

I think by general opinion we've been having, we're only really counting the normal captains.

I still hold by Kyoraku, Ukitake, and Unohana (That's three, I know, but I can't exactly eliminate them because we haven't seen too many of their abilities yet).

[morrisc311]

zaraki and shunsui but if I could have a former captain too i would pick zaraki and urahara

[Fox_Face]

I got to give this to Kempachi and Ichimaru.

Kempachi souly because he has yet to show any true sign of weakness ever. All of his opponents are either dead or ((Like Ichigo)) scared shittless of him to ever fight him agian. The guy takes on Espada smiling and loevs nothign more then to see himself getting his ass kicked. Cause its all in good fun to him.

Ichimaru is another story. This dude was dealing with Hitsaguya with no problem at all. Very few can take on the little twerp and even fewer can fight back against him. Hitsaguya was ready to unleash his full bankai while Ichimaru looked as if he hadnt even considered using his. Which leads to another point, we have yet to see what Ichimaru's Bankai is. All these other Capains ((Aside form Kenpachi )) are judged souly on the strength of there Bankai's. Ichimaru like Kenpachi has prooven you dont need a flashy Bankai to be kick ass.

[clavv]

Old man Yama
And Kenpachi
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab201/wancactus/Anime/chi.gif

[Koyuki]

lol,idk what u guys smoking when u think that ZARAKI or BYAKUYA could be the strongest captains,but they are for SURE Shunshui(100%) and Juushiro(90%).:eek:

[6th_espada]

i think the two strongest captain are byakuya and shunsui because first of byakuya he is balanced in every category example, kido swordsmanship speed and intelligence obv something that kenpachi lacks xD and shunsui he beat stark the number one espada wiht only using shikai so if he could do that imagine bankai plus he has yet to fight in full power.

[xgabrielx]

I think Hitsugaya is not a great captain...yet. He is too young for that.

My choices would be Unohana and Kyouraku. (Not including Yamamoto)

I remember: Aizen, Tosen and Gin are not captains anymore...
And Kenpachi is pure plain reiatsu. And that's all.
I dont count Yamamoto...because...he would simply squeeze them all...

[sor1n]

Commander Yamamoto and Urahara (he was once a Captain although), because Kisuke was able to hurt Aizen most.

[CrnJacKer]

If we're talking about the 2 best and yet experienced captains, I'd say Byakuya and Shunsui.

For the strongest however, I'll go with Kenpachi.

[SoulSlayer18]

Byakuya and Kenpachi.

Former captains: Yorochi and Kisuke yay kisuke :cool:

and Yamomato suxx

[hitsugayanaruto]

Hitsugaya cant be the strongest captain but later he could be one of the strongest captains... Shunsui said that hitsugaya can surpass him.

strongest former captains are.....Kyoraku and Kisuke Urahara

we dont need to talk about Kyoraku its already decided that he is the strongest captains when he destroyed stark with just shikai.

Urahara is one of the strongest captains because..... he is skilled in mostly everything...he is a kido master with GREAT RS ,good inventor he is also a master in strategy and tactics and he is also a master of swordsmanship and martial arts and because of that he combine both of them making his own styles he uses martial arts when he fights with swords....he also have good Strength....also he is a good kido master(we all saw what he did to Aizen with his 91 kido)and he is very fast since he has great Agility,master of flash step and Enchanced speed he dodged and countered a lot of attacks....he is also master Assassin of course since he was a 3rd seat in 2nd squad who leaded a special force and 2nd squad is about martial arts and assassins.

strongest captains now are Kyoraku and Ukitake or Kenpachi

the reason why i was confused between Ukitake and Kenpachi is because Ukitake is very strong he has everything Kido master,master of swordsmanship,high RS, very fast in other words master of flash step,and he did block a cero with his bare hands so he is probably has a good defence.however,he sucks because he is sick so he cant fight very good.....thats why i chosed kenpachi since he is very good except in Kido and i cant find someone better then Kenpachi other than Kyoraku and MAYBE Ukitake.

[lupie]

What are all of you guys thinking, Its Sousuke Aizen and Ichimaru Gin, its easy to see and why would you guys and girls think Hitsugaya would be a good captian. He's hardly strong, his bankai looks so weak and doesn't last long at all. Aizen and Gin are really strong, powerful, and intelligent. All that is what you need in a fight.I mean you have got to be kidding if Hitsugaya could even become the strongest captian.:mad: It might not be the crew that you people are talking about but i've got to say it.

[hitsugayanaruto]

What are all of you guys thinking, Its Sousuke Aizen and Ichimaru Gin, its easy to see and why would you guys and girls think Hitsugaya would be a good captian. He's hardly strong, his bankai looks so weak and doesn't last long at all. Aizen and Gin are really strong, powerful, and intelligent. All that is what you need in a fight.I mean you have got to be kidding if Hitsugaya could even become the strongest captian.:mad: It might not be the crew that you people are talking about but i've got to say it.ok no offense but are u retarded?1st of all,we all know that Aizen and Yamamoto are the two strongest captains not Gin and Aizen...we are just not including Aizen and Yamamoto because they are Overpowered so u get the point I hope.

and just 1 question why do u think hitsugaya is weak because his bankai is limited?You do know his bankai can be unlimited if its near an ocean and he has the strongest ice/snow type Zanpakuto Hyourinmaru just like Yamamoto has the strongest fire type Zanpakuto and btw Hitsugaya is young yet he is a captain tell me someone who was strong like he was in his age even Byakuya and gin weren't that strong and Shunsui said that Hitsugaya can surpass him if in the future....and beside how can he be that weak if he defeated the 3rd espada and u are saying he is hardly strong? and can u tell me how can someone deal with hitsugayas Sucidal frozen heavens if its like rain of ice or something like that... and u cant even dodge it or do anything about it...still hitsugaya isnt the strongest captain.however,he will be in the future still he is not Weak as u think if he is that weak then he shouldnt be a captain.

about gin...seriously how can Gin defeat Shunsui if Shunsui defeated Stark without bankai and most of the shinigami need at least shikai to fight against arrancer without their release...can gin defeat stark without bankai???? i dont think so.and just to remind you if Shunsui used bankai what will happen his bankai is dangerous even Ukitake feared his bankai and warned him to not to use it. and its already mentioned according to Kubo.. Shunsui is 1 of the oldest,experienced and strongest captains in SS.

[lupie]

ok no offense but are u retarded?1st of all,we all know that Aizen and Yamamoto are the two strongest captains not Gin and Aizen...we are just not including Aizen and Yamamoto because they are Overpowered so u get the point I hope.

and just 1 question why do u think hitsugaya is weak because his bankai is limited?You do know his bankai can be unlimited if its near an ocean and he has the strongest ice/snow type Zanpakuto Hyourinmaru just like Yamamoto has the strongest fire type Zanpakuto and btw Hitsugaya is young yet he is a captain tell me someone who was strong like he was in his age even Byakuya and gin weren't that strong and Shunsui said that Hitsugaya can surpass him if in the future....and beside how can he be that weak if he defeated the 3rd espada and u are saying he is hardly strong? and can u tell me how can someone deal with hitsugayas Sucidal frozen heavens if its like rain of ice or something like that... and u cant even dodge it or do anything about it...still hitsugaya isnt the strongest captain.however,he will be in the future still he is not Weak as u think if he is that weak then he shouldnt be a captain.

about gin...seriously how can Gin defeat Shunsui if Shunsui defeated Stark without bankai and most of the shinigami need at least shikai to fight against arrancer without their release...can gin defeat stark without bankai???? i dont think so.and just to remind you if Shunsui used bankai what will happen his bankai is dangerous even Ukitake feared his bankai and warned him to not to use it. and its already mentioned according to Kubo.. Shunsui is 1 of the oldest,experienced and strongest captains in SS.

Dont even do that to me becuase i get mad easy.And if you read it carefully it says "it might not be THE CREW YOU PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT but i had to say it"And focas on the are.

[hitsugayanaruto]

Dont even do that to me becuase i get mad easy.And if you read it carefully it says "it might not be THE CREW YOU PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT but i had to say it"And focas on the are.Dude sorry i got u mad but i am pissed because of something happened today... and what are u mad about the argue or the insult???anyways sorry about everything and a bit of advise dont take anything seriously on the internets.

[magna_lord]

Definitely yamamoto and shunsui
I say yamamoto 'cos he took on aizen without shikai whereas shunsui fought the strongest espada with only shikai unlike all the other captains

[JTM93]

Maybe someone should clear up are we just talking current captain-rank Shinigami or past & present? and are we doing above captain rank(such as Captain-Commander Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto)

[SoulVenom]

What are all of you guys thinking, Its Sousuke Aizen and Ichimaru Gin, its easy to see and why would you guys and girls think Hitsugaya would be a good captian. He's hardly strong, his bankai looks so weak and doesn't last long at all. Aizen and Gin are really strong, powerful, and intelligent. All that is what you need in a fight.I mean you have got to be kidding if Hitsugaya could even become the strongest captian.:mad: It might not be the crew that you people are talking about but i've got to say it.

You forget, they arent captains....

[Axoyothe]

You forget, they arent captains....

They are ......................... monsters o.o

[JTM93]

when you really look at it no one captain is stronger than the rest.

[hitsugayanaruto]

still Kyoraku can beat Gin in my opinion

[JTM93]

possibly but then again Gin isnt a captain anymore... we really need the original poster to clear up whether it is just the current captains or anyone who has held the rank and if it includes those of higher rank such as Captain-Commander. and what do they mean by strongest

[SoulVenom]

Strongest captains (When Together) are Shunsui and Jushiro...hands down.
Other than that i think its Shunsui and....still Jushiro

[JTM93]

no matter how you look at it each captain has their own strength and weakness they are like the elements in most games each one can beat another but at the same time beat itself by its opposite i.e. air is the opposite of earth & fire to water

[SoulVenom]

no matter how you look at it each captain has their own strength and weakness they are like the elements in most games each one can beat another but at the same time beat itself by its opposite i.e. air is the opposite of earth & fire to water

Then explain Kenny and Mayuri's weakness.....

[JTM93]

simple Kenny's strength is his overwhelming Reiatsu while his weakness is his in-ability to freely wield it like most others. Mayuri's main strength is his intelligence but his weakness is an opponent who can counter that either by acting on impulse and instinct alone or by being smarter than him

[hitsugayanaruto]

no matter how you look at it each captain has their own strength and weakness they are like the elements in most games each one can beat another but at the same time beat itself by its opposite i.e. air is the opposite of earth & fire to watergive me 1 captain that can kill Kyoraku other than Yamamoto and Aizen. and Gin and Aizen were Former Captains so we can count them.however,i wont count Aizen because he is obv strong so i can choose some1 else just to make things interesting and Gin he is not strong like some other captains.Also according to Bleach wiki Kyoraku is one of the oldest and strongest captains

[SoulVenom]

im pretty sure Kenny can wield his reiatsu just fine....he just chooses not to...
as for Mayuri...NO ONE IS SMARTER THAN HIM!!

[hitsugayanaruto]

im pretty sure Kenny can wield his reiatsu just fine....he just chooses not to...
as for Mayuri...NO ONE IS SMARTER THAN HIM!!ok i can agree about everything same goes for kenny but Mayuri.....Urahara is smarter than him

[SoulVenom]

give me 1 captain that can kill Kyoraku other than Yamamoto and Aizen. and Gin and Aizen were Former Captains so we can count them.however,i wont count Aizen because he is obv strong so i can choose some1 else just to make things interesting and Gin he is not strong like some other captains.Also according to Bleach wiki Kyoraku is one of the oldest and strongest captains

Gin is not strong?? He is basically one of the only captains to beat Ichigo (who has defeated all the captains with his lame powers) without unleashing his full power

[JTM93]

depends on the scenerio in which they fight if Shunsui's opponent can sneak well soifon could be a tough fight as could Yoruichi Shihōin if it was a one-on-one honour duel there are a few that could beat him

[SoulVenom]

depends on the scenerio in which they fight if Shunsui's opponent can sneak well soifon could be a tough fight as could Yoruichi Shihōin if it was a one-on-one honour duel there are a few that could beat him

You cant compare Soifon to Shunsui or Yourichi....thats just an insult

[JTM93]

how is it an insult?

[hitsugayanaruto]

Gin is not strong?? He is basically one of the only captains to beat Ichigo (who has defeated all the captains with his lame powers) without unleashing his full powerI didnt say Gin is the strongest captain.and i am sure that Urahara and Kyoraku can kill him...

[SoulVenom]

how is it an insult?

Cause Soifon is a joke

I didnt say Gin is the strongest captain.and i am sure that Urahara and Kyoraku can kill him...

I wasnt sayin that Gin was the strongest either..u said that he wasnt strong..

[JTM93]

how exactly is she a joke? umm on the kenny riatsu thing Old Man Yamamoto, Zangetsu, Yachiro and a few others including Ayesagawa and Madarame all make a comment that he cant really control it other than releasing it through the blade to make his swings stronger

[SoulVenom]

how exactly is she a joke?

Are you serious? All she does is freakin sneak around with her cheap ass excuse for a zanpakto and her bazooka bankai.
She had extreme trouble with Barragan (which she should have died in that battle in my opinion) while Hachigen (one of the weakest vizards imo) killed him in no time

They should bring amagai back in and take out soifon

[hitsugayanaruto]

lol JTM think how can soifon kill Kyoraku if there is no escape from Kyorakus shikai + Kyoraku is better than soifon in everything and Kyo did kill the 1st espada and and he did it with just shikai.....and if Kyoraku releases his bankai i am 100% sure that Soifon is dead......because Kyoraku is 1 of the captains that had the strongest and fearsome bankai even Ukitake warned him to not to use his Bankai...and think if u Kubo said that Kyoraku is the strongest captain+he killed Stark with only shikai while other shinigami required to use bankai to defeat the espadas release and some also need to use shikai to fight an espada without his release.however,shunsui fought Stark without his release but after stark used his released Kyoraku didnt use his bankai but he only used his shikai.

@Soulvenom when the hell did i say Gin is weak with his g** ass bankai he can kill some captains but he just cant kill Kyoraku or Urahara...lol if i really said Gin is weak then i am sorry i was stupid.

[SoulVenom]

Read ur post again?

give me 1 captain that can kill Kyoraku other than Yamamoto and Aizen. and Gin and Aizen were Former Captains so we can count them.however,i wont count Aizen because he is obv strong so i can choose some1 else just to make things interesting and Gin he is not strong like some other captains.Also according to Bleach wiki Kyoraku is one of the oldest and strongest captains
Gin is stronger than all the captains except maybe (not counting Aizen) yamamoto and maybe Shunsui can handle him too but thats it. Hes even stronger than Tosen, thats why Aizen killed him off

[JTM93]

read what is said "depends on the scenerio in which they fight if Shunsui's opponent can sneak well soifon could be a tough fight as could Yoruichi Shihōin if it was a one-on-one honour duel there are a few that could beat him" i meant if soifon or yoruichi could get the drop on Shunsui before he realized what happened they would have the advantage and in a Honour duel there are a few that could out match him with their skills such as Kuchiki. or even Sajin

[SoulVenom]

read what is said "depends on the scenerio in which they fight if Shunsui's opponent can sneak well soifon could be a tough fight as could Yoruichi Shihōin if it was a one-on-one honour duel there are a few that could beat him" i meant if soifon and yoruichi could get the drop on them before he realized what happened they would have the advantage and in a Honour duel there are a few that could out match him with their skills such as Kuchiki. or even Sajin

When you say "them" who are u talkin about?

[JTM93]

i edited it there happy

[hitsugayanaruto]

Read ur post again?


Gin is stronger than all the captains except maybe (not counting Aizen) yamamoto and maybe Shunsui can handle him too but thats it. Hes even stronger than Tosen, thats why Aizen killed him offwell yeah hes not strong like some other captains i mean some1 like Kyoraku,Urahara and Maybe Youroichi....all i meant he is strong but weaker than some captains

[SoulVenom]

well yeah hes not strong like some other captains i mean some1 like Kyoraku,Urahara and Maybe Youroichi....all i meant he is strong but weaker than some captains

Take out Yourichi and Urahara cause they arent captains.. im talkin present not past

[JTM93]

Again they all have Advantages and Disadvantages... well if you wan present only then we can remove Amagai, Gin, Kaname, Aizen and a few others

[SoulVenom]

i edited it there happy

OK so u made it sound like Shunsui was stronger which is my point..

[hitsugayanaruto]

i am tired of this argue thats it ill say 1 more thing and ignoring everything else.

1st of all if Soifon want to sneak attack Kyoraku then i am sure Kyoraku will sense it and if he stabbed him/slashed him whatever he wont die instantly unless she stabbed him two times so even if she succeded Kyoraku wont die and then it will turn into a 1 on 1 fight like u said and in that way and there is no need to explain why he will win in 1 on 1 fight and again IF KYORAKU USED HIS BANKAI SOIFON IS GOOD AS DEAD.

@soulvenom Gin is not a captain now either.So u must be talking about the past

[SoulVenom]

i am tired of this argue thats it ill say 1 more thing and ignoring everything else.

1st of all if Soifon want to sneak attack Kyoraku then i am sure Kyoraku will sense it and if he stabbed him/slashed him whatever he wont die instantly unless she stabbed him two times so even if she succeded Kyoraku wont die and then it will turn into a 1 on 1 fight like u said and in that way and there is no need to explain why he will win in 1 on 1 fight and again IF KYORAKU USED HIS BANKAI SOIFON IS GOOD AS DEAD.

Yo...Shunsui doesnt even have to break out his bankai and Soifon is dead..

and in JTM's senario that just leaves Yourichi vs Shunsui..but since she isnt a captain she goes poof and that leaves him as the winner

[JTM93]

two things Soifon's Nigeki Kessatsu and how can you be sure of Shunsui's Bankai if it hasnt been revealed? for all we know it could be like soifon's impractical for standard use. not all bankai are better than the shikai in terms of usability

Yo...Shunsui doesnt even have to break out his bankai and Soifon is dead..

and in JTM's senario that just leaves Yourichi vs Shunsui..but since she isnt a captain she goes poof and that leaves him as the winner

again i didnt say them tag-teaming Shunsui

[hitsugayanaruto]

two things Soifon's Nigeki Kessatsu and how can you be sure of Shunsui's Bankai if it hasnt been revealed? for all we know it could be like soifon's impractical for standard use. not all bankai are better than the shikai in terms of usabilityJust a quick info ill say it again kubo told us that Kyoraku is the strongest captain and Ukitake warned him to not to use his bankai meaning his bankai is OP and no doubt stronger than soifon and i am sure captains saw soifons bankai except omaeda.

[SoulVenom]

Damn i gotta read your post to you too?
read what is said "depends on the scenerio in which they fight if Shunsui's opponent can sneak well soifon could be a tough fight as could Yoruichi Shihōin if it was a one-on-one honour duel there are a few that could beat him" i meant if soifon and yoruichi could get the drop on Shunsui before he realized what happened they would have the advantage and in a Honour duel there are a few that could out match him with their skills such as Kuchiki. or even Sajin

two things Soifon's Nigeki Kessatsu and how can you be sure of Shunsui's Bankai if it hasnt been revealed? for all we know it could be like soifon's impractical for standard use. not all bankai are better than the shikai in terms of usability

Your talkin about Soifons bankai there, Its completely USELESS

[JTM93]

Just because it is OP'd doesnt mean it is exactly cut out for the battlefield. And again everyone has their weaknesses and strengths regardless of how much you want it to be a lie it is true and on the first quote SV i meant stop taking it just as a first read interp and actually think about how i am meaning...

[SoulVenom]

Just because it is OP'd doesnt mean it is exactly cut out for the battlefield. And again everyone has their weaknesses and strengths regardless of how much you want it to be a lie it is true and on the first quote SV i meant stop taking it just as a first read interp and actually think about how i am meaning...

Just because is OP doesnt mean its cut out for th.....WHAT THE HELL ARE U SAYING?

Name one OP bankai that isnt useful in a fight...except for Soifons

[JTM93]

Damn i gotta read your post to you too?



Your talkin about Soifons bankai there, Its completely USELESS

Nigeki Kessatsu is a technique with her shikai. Her bankai's name is Jakuhō Raikōben.

[SoulVenom]

Nigeki Kessatsu is a technique with her shikai. Her bankai's name is Jakuhō Raikōben

Read the second part of your post

[JTM93]

i know what i posted all you done was resay what i said...

[hitsugayanaruto]

Just because it is OP'd doesnt mean it is exactly cut out for the battlefield. And again everyone has their weaknesses and strengths regardless of how much you want it to be a lie it is true and on the first quote SV i meant stop taking it just as a first read interp and actually think about how i am meaning...so thats why Kyoraku is the captain ok ok how about i say this.....Kyoraku is stronger than Yamamoto because Yamamotos weakness is Kyoraku....i didnt mean what i just said but its like what u are saying..and if it was true i dont think they will say that Kyoraku is the strongest captain and again i told u to give me 1 heck of a Shinigami that can kill Kyoraku u told me its Soifon and i told u how SOIFON FAILS AGAINST Kyoraku....Kyorakus weakness is not Soifon and i am not saying this because it comes from my opinion 1/2 of my posts came from Bleach wiki.

note:i dont mean Kyoraku is stronger than Yamamoto but is stronger than other captains now.

[JTM93]

What i am meaning is Kyoraku is strong against someone but at the same time he is weak against someone as well. same goes for everyone not just captains.

[SoulVenom]

two things Soifon's Nigeki Kessatsu and how can you be sure of Shunsui's Bankai if it hasnt been revealed? for all we know it could be like soifon's impractical for standard use. not all bankai are better than the shikai in terms of usability

All im saying about this is soifons bankai is useless...
and in your crazy scenario about Shunsui's bankai being usless he still wins but anyway back to what this thread is about
Shunsui > Soifon
Shunsui > Unohana
Shunsui > Kenpachi
Shunsui > Mayuri
Shunsui > Toshiro
Shunsui > Byakuya
Shunsui > Sajin
Shunsui > Jushiro (beacuse of his TB)
Case Closed

[JTM93]

And look at Shunsui's personality he gets to laid back so he might make a mistake and underestimate his opponent sort of how he did with chad he was to relaxed and almost lost. there is no all time god in anything.

[hitsugayanaruto]

ummmmmmmm i dont know but i think ur smoking there is no way in hell Shunsui will loose against chad even if chad hit him. and do u think he will get laid back in a serious fight????????are u asleep wake up dude no offense..if what u said was true he wont be able to kill stark.

THATS IT I SWEAR I WONT ARGUE ABOUT THIS STUPID THING ANYMORE

[SoulVenom]

And look at Shunsui's personalllity he gets to laid back so he might make a mistake and underestimate his opponent sort of how he did with chad he was to relaxed and almost lost. there is no all time god in anything.

Umm did you even see his fight with Starrk?
We was laid back in the beginning and held his own and when he went all out Starrk paid the price..

[JTM93]

ummmmmmmm i dont know but i think ur smoking there is no way in hell Shunsui will loose against chad even if chad hit him. and do u think he will get laid back in a serious fight????????are u asleep wake up dude no offense..if what u said was true he wont be able to kill stark.

THATS IT I SWEAR I WONT ARGUE ABOUT THIS STUPID THING ANYMORE

it is when he doesnt take a fight seriously or when he doesnt want to fight that he gets laid back. if you remember one of chad blows barely missed him and he commented about how powerful it was

[hitsugayanaruto]

it is when he doesnt take a fight seriously or when he doesnt want to fight that he gets laid backyea but that dosent mean he will loose and even if he lost its still means Kyoraku wins against that captains he just didnt want to show his full ability.
END OF DISCUSSION.

[SoulVenom]

yea but that dosent mean he will loose and even if he lost its still means Kyoraku wins against that captains he just didnt want to show his full ability.
END OF DISCUSSION.

KYORAKU WINS!!
Wait...thats one xD

[JTM93]

no matter how you look at it he still has weaknesses just as the greatest armor or castle undoubtedly does

[SoulVenom]

OK then......what exactly is his weakness...and dont give me any of that Avatar element crap

[JTM93]

OK then......what exactly is his weakness...and dont give me any of that Avatar element crap

avatar element crap i never even quoted avatar... his weakness mainly lies with his duel Zanpakutou

[hitsugayanaruto]

and even Yamamoto has a weakness but no captain can defeat him and if chad hit him Kyoraku wont loose.

[JTM93]

and even Yamamoto has a weakness but no captain can defeat him and if chad hit him Kyoraku wont loose. i never said he would after one hit. it isnt the one-hit KOs you watch for it is the repetitive strikes

[hitsugayanaruto]

i never said he would after one hit. it isnt the one-hit KOs you watch for it is the repetitive strikesand after 1 hit u think Kyoraku wont be serious?dont talk about this now its like Kyoraku vs Chad and Obviously Kyoraku wins.

[JTM93]

and after 1 hit u think Kyoraku wont be serious?

depends on how much damage is caused

[SoulVenom]

I was talkin about that water air earth and fire junk
and 2:
His Dual Zanpaktou...wtf

[JTM93]

2 blades doesnt always mean it is stronger or more effective. and usually disabling one reduces its effectiveness by 75% if not more

[SoulVenom]

WHAT??? who ever said him having to swords was better? and 75% or more?? This isnt final fantasy speak in real life terms

[JTM93]

WHAT??? who ever said him having to swords was better? and 75% or more?? This isnt final fantasy speak in real life terms

i am if you are trained with 2 swords such as Shunsui and Ukitake then losing one blade reduces your over all fighting capability oh and the element talk was from Kenjutsu training

[SoulVenom]

ok Chill....step back
theyve been using these swords for probably over 200 years i think they have enough fighting capability

and..once again no one is talkin about havin 2 swords is better or worse..this is about him being one of the strongest captains

[JTM93]

ok Chill....step back
theyve been using these swords for probably over 200 years i think they have enough fighting capability

and..once again no one is talkin about havin 2 swords is better or worse..this is about him being one of the strongest captains

but wasnt you and Hitsu that mentioned his Bankai?

[hitsugayanaruto]

what does Bankai has to do with using 2 swords?:S

[SoulVenom]

Bankais dont even have to use swords..

[JTM93]

oi re-think over this whole convo you say he is supperior especially with his bankai. but if you take away even one blade he cant use it or any of his other tachniques as explained by his Zan. Spirit in the Zan. Unknown Tales ark