CB 1.1 Voting

[Hyonimaru]

2 on 2 Overall

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Natsu Dragneel
[Fairy Tail]
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Gol D. Ace
[One Piece]


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Yoruichi Shihōin
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Kisuke Urahara [Bleach]


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[B]Edward Newgate " Whitebeard" [One piece]
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Gol D. Roger [One Piece]


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Dragon Shiryu
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Phoenix Ikki


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Grana [Psyren]
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Father [FMA]

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[Axoyothe]

Where should i begin , eh my vote goes Kisuke and Yoruichi. Natsu and Ace lack teamwork and have a weakness of both using just fire , which means if opponent finds their weakness they are both dead , then , Gol D. Roger we know nothing about when it coems to his abilities and WB is not in a real top shape for battles , Y&K can beat those 2 no problem , the Saints are also powerfull but i think Y&K teamwork would come up with a better plan and better outcome .....

[newman1992]

I vote for the Saint because of the fact they both move at faster than light speeds. both use cosmos which destroys atoms. the only group that could possibly win are father and Grana but they are to slow and father was pretty easily beaten by people that were alot weaker.

[Gokurules]

I vote for the Saint because of the fact they both move at faster than light speeds. both use cosmos which destroys atoms. the only group that could possibly win are father and Grana but they are to slow and father was pretty easily beaten by people that were alot weaker.

Yes they were weaker but of the same intellect.Had they not reversed his doing, he would be practically a God(and since we should think who will win in their strongest form thats the version of Father I count as a participant) and Grana from what I read has a very convenient power that can be used in countless way and that ability along with Father's abilities and intellect can make them a heck of a team.
Therefore my vote goes to Grana and Father

[newman1992]

the fact that grana and father couldnt even move before the saint could destroy their atoms (father even with his many lives would be easily killed) doesnt count for anything.

also father never became the "god" so you cant use that. thats like saying if Ace lived for as long as WB then he would beat everyone >.>

[triplew]

My vote would go to Father and Grana for obvious reasons. Father was able to devour god if it wasnt for Hohenhiem he would've suceeded For many of his broken abilities i doubt any of the. But even without devouring god he was a very fearful character he was easily able to demolish an entire city and country at will. Grana will surelly take out ace and natsu with tidal wave abilities since they use fire tidal waves can easily over come the flames.

[Gokurules]

the fact that grana and father couldnt even move before the saint could destroy their atoms (father even with his many lives would be easily killed) doesnt count for anything.

also father never became the "god" so you cant use that. thats like saying if Ace lived for as long as WB then he would beat everyone >.>

Have you even read the manga?

If not a spoiler is coming.


Father imprisoned God and the citizens of the country in his body.So its not an alternate reality , he did it. And he could do a nuclear fusion and create a small sun in his hand and Im sure as "God" he could do so much more.Not to mention that he already had half a million lives and now gained much more.

[Hyonimaru]

I vote for the Saint because of the fact they both move at faster than light speeds. both use cosmos which destroys atoms. the only group that could possibly win are father and Grana but they are to slow and father was pretty easily beaten by people that were alot weaker.

Lul weaker? Your calling Hohenheim weak? Do me a favor, and GTFO the drugs. It's clearly affecting numerous of brain cells. If you want to bring in speed we can, but that doesn't change the fact Father would negate every single thing that's directed to him. Fyi, Father only got hurt cause of Hohenheim, and his Transmutation Circle. Which resulted in his body not being able to contain god, BUT if you want to include that, I can include numerous of other things, Ace is dead, Whitebeard is dead. You do realize Father can re-form rite? You also say I can't use the factor he's 'god'. If I can't use that I might as well just state you can't destroy atoms. Father being a god is FACTOR. It can not be overlooked.

My vote will go with Gold d. roger and White Beard becuase although they were rivals they are extremely powerful captains but they are without a doubt reasonable character that would probably work together for reasons such as this. WHite BEard having the power to destroy the world with one punch is powerful enough to kill many of the characters.

Ace and Natsu are pretty good with each other but there is a reason why white beard is a captain and ace is not probably one of the reason would be the power difference


Father and grana probably will not be working together in the end or near the end of father , father would betray anyone to make philosopher stones those two working together just practically jeapordize the whole match for them.

'WHite BEard having the power to destroy the world with one punch is powerful enough to kill many of the characters.' - Source that. Cause I'd love to see where in the manga it states that.

'Father and grana probably will not be working together in the end or near the end of father , father would betray anyone to make philosopher stones those two working together just practically jeapordize the whole match for them.' - I would usually say in the match if they had to have partnership. I thought you got the figure from last claim battles.

But, if I still must go on, Father can create sun's. Grana can use that same Sun, and nuke the field in a instant. Telekinesis can be very broad, and range from numerous of things. I'll go in depth later. Considering this might go on for a while trying to explain to you guys. I love how some people spit out gibberish while not knowing a whole lot.

[newman1992]

Just by releasing their cosmos at them they would destroy atoms and kill fathers lives off very quickly. Grana's telekinesis wouldnt effect the release of energy. phoenix ikki also is resurrected every time he dies and comes back more powerful. Also the fact that Father is a "god" means little because Saint have the power to surpass the gods. Also father never attained the full power of god so you cant say "if he wasn't stopped he would be god". Hohenheim prevented him from fully fusing with god meaning he never acquired that power. Also speed is a huge factor because what they can't even see coming at them they really can't prepare for.

[Gokurules]

Just by releasing their cosmos at them they would destroy atoms and kill fathers lives off very quickly. Grana's telekinesis wouldnt effect the release of energy. phoenix ikki also is resurrected every time he dies and comes back more powerful. Also the fact that Father is a "god" means little because Saint have the power to surpass the gods. Also father never attained the full power of god so you cant say "if he wasn't stopped he would be god". Hohenheim prevented him from fully fusing with god meaning he never acquired that power. Also speed is a huge factor because what they can't even see coming at them they really can't prepare for.

Funny you mention they are more powerful than God. Have you met him and sparred with him so you know his powers? Like Hyon said, cut the Meth.And Father did fully merge with God he merged for about 2 minutes or so and then Hohenheim's plan stepped in.And as much as I know God knows what is happening everywhere at the same time.Therefore he doesnt need speed to see an attack coming.Also God is present everywhere.Meaning he could be behind next to or a mile away from the Saints as simple as that.

PS: Father stated that he didnt want to destroy the world but its ok and that he would recreate it. Creating a world displays much more power than destroying one.(Its easier to destroy than create Im sure even on Meth you can tell that)

[triplew]

In that way i'll change it back to my old vote father and Grana lol since it isnt partnership or doesnt concern working together.

[Hyonimaru]

Just by releasing their cosmos at them they would destroy atoms and kill fathers lives off very quickly. Grana's telekinesis wouldnt effect the release of energy. phoenix ikki also is resurrected every time he dies and comes back more powerful. Also the fact that Father is a "god" means little because Saint have the power to surpass the gods. Also father never attained the full power of god so you cant say "if he wasn't stopped he would be god". Hohenheim prevented him from fully fusing with god meaning he never acquired that power. Also speed is a huge factor because what they can't even see coming at them they really can't prepare for.
Umm. He did fused with god. Which my previous post explained why his body could not contain it. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omniverse. That would mean, Father is those as well, but as I said if you overlook that you have to overlook plenty.

[newman1992]

Funny you mention they are more powerful than God. Have you met him and sparred with him so you know his powers?)

then by your standard you cant say that anyone can win any battle. Im going by the manga were the saints defeat gods. You dont even know the powers Father would have since what they mean by God is never said. their are many different kinds of gods with ranging powers and you assume that this is the has all powers type. If he was omnipotent why didnt he avoid Hohenheims transmutation Circle? If he knew everything then he would know what the circle would do to him but he obviously didnt.

[Gokurules]

then by your standard you cant say that anyone can win any battle. Im going by the manga were the saints defeat gods. You dont even know the powers Father would have since what they mean by God is never said. their are many different kinds of gods with ranging powers and you assume that this is the has all powers type. If he was omnipotent why didnt he avoid Hohenheims transmutation Circle? If he knew everything then he would know what the circle would do to him but he obviously didnt.

The gods in Saint Seiya are far weaker than the God Father merged with.Their powers are divided, no one holds total control of the universe like God meaning that all those ranging powers you mentioned God has them all in him and he aint in 12 pieces and some of the gods you mentioned have been challenged multiple times by humans and beaten too in the greek mythology , since they are the same gods these things should not change.Im greek I know my mythology , the original one , I could start a long conversation about this only to prove you wrong yet again. And why he didnt stop Hohenheim? It was too late. Like Hohenheim said his plan took effect almost immediatly.Anyway , I ain't going to argue with someone who has ran out of ideas and just picks on words others said and desperately tries to get a few votes.

[newman1992]

What does this have to do with greek mythology. You cant take other stories and add them to this. Saint Seiya isnt direct from mythology. Im pretty sure no one had cosmos in mythology. Also you dont even know the strength of the god father fused with because nothing was shown no abilities were told or powers (other than the sun).
Also i dont give a crap about this battle im just challenging your points and you dont have to act like this really matter and bash me. Also you guys are using what i said so your doing the same thing your saying im doing.

Also if it was almost immediate yet again an omnipotent being would still be able to avoid since they control everything at all times.

[Gokurules]

What does this have to do with greek mythology. You cant take other stories and add them to this. Saint Seiya isnt direct from mythology. Im pretty sure no one had cosmos in mythology. Also you dont even know the strength of the god father fused with because nothing was shown no abilities were told or powers (other than the sun).
Also i dont give a crap about this battle im just challenging your points and you dont have to act like this really matter and bash me. Also you guys are using what i said so your doing the same thing your saying im doing.

Also if it was almost immediate yet again an omnipotent being would still be able to avoid since they control everything at all times.

It may not be direct, but the Gods are the Greek 12 gods.Since that is stated it is obvious that everything that is stated for them counts unless the manga excludes it, something can be added but nothing can be removed unless it is said.Likewise since Father stated he absorbed God everything that is said of God was absorbed too.And do you even know what omnipotence is?It is the word for unlimited power, that doesnt mean he can control human souls.It means he can destroy and create everything from nothing.He demonstrated it.But my guess is that it takes a bit of time to adjust in being God so he didnt stop him.And why keep asking why he failed?It doesnt matter what happened, what matters is that he had God's power .And if you honestly don't give a crap you would have stopped posting.

[newman1992]

Saint seiya being about greek gods still means nothing since you can only go by the content of the manga/anime. you cant assume that since its about something similar then its the same. Many stories are about somethings but can change everything (take stuff out and add stuff).
I dont care about the battle but its still fun to argue. I dont care if i win or lose i just like to see how people will answer the questions i pose.
Your guessing that it would take time to adjust so that means it could not be true and god's powers arent as strong as you think they are.
Also if what happened in the anime/manga doesnt count then we can throw out all info and just assume everything.

[Gokurules]

I did not throw random info. I threw in there info about the things mentioned. If the authors were to make a manga by your post, they would have to create everything from scratch meaning that they would have to state everything about everything, they avoided doing so by making worlds similiar to ours where almost everything that applies in this world applies there as well.And the gods he presented are taken from the mythology of this world.The content of the manga does not says otherwise and its quite clear who they are despite the fact that the author added info of his own.As for Father needing time to adjust, that could only mean that Gods power was so great he had to take some time to adjust to it and not the opposite , if the power wasnt powerful he would have had adjusted to it quickly.

[newman1992]

ill state this then im done. the reason why the mythology reason doesnt work is that the humans from the greek myths are saints in saint seiya . which means that its saints winning not regular humans. Cosmos is added changing everything so the mythology part is totally redone. which changes the history of the gods by your reasoning

[Hyonimaru]

then by your standard you cant say that anyone can win any battle. Im going by the manga were the saints defeat gods. You dont even know the powers Father would have since what they mean by God is never said. their are many different kinds of gods with ranging powers and you assume that this is the has all powers type. If he was omnipotent why didnt he avoid Hohenheims transmutation Circle? If he knew everything then he would know what the circle would do to him but he obviously didnt.

We don't know what kind of god?
/facepalm

Truth is the god. We've seen what he can do, and what he's capable of. Though we never see the full power of Truth. But let's go back on your topic. You say speed, that is like saying a god can not be beaten because someone moves at light speed. Let's take a different view if you still can't understand. Zeus = God whom can move at lightspeed, but that does not stop any other god from dodging, etc. Yes you can arrange / destroy molecules, but I can just re-form them. Father himself is in a different league then those Saint Seya's. When I mean different league I mean passed. You shouldn't even compare them to him. That is just madness. Then again, even if you move at light speed, you still can't dodge a solar ray. Considering Father easily creates the sun, with molecular transformation. Lets rewind again, Father has NOT once been hit since he absorved god while incoming attacks are coming from, Izumi, Hohenheim, Al, and Ed. I really see your debate totally pointless, and I'm sure some others agree. And yes my vote does go to my team.

This battle will end on Monday.

Father - Grana : 3
Saint Seya: 1

[Hyonimaru]

Battle Over...
Father & Grana wins.

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In depth info later.