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[Axoyothe]

Best Doctor

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Chiyo [Naruto]
http://s1.zetaboards.com/BT_Claims/single/?p=388587&t=3228004

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Sakura Haruno [Naruto]
http://s1.zetaboards.com/BT_Claims/single/?p=388914&t=3228004

[UnknownMercinary]

Obviously its chiyo. She can bring someone on the brink of death, no matter what the cause, back. Or bring the fully dead, back to life, no matter what the cause. I dont think, that can be trumped. Not to mention the 70 or so years of experience difference.

[Gokurules]

My vote goes to Chiyo for obvious reasons.

[dexter]

My vote goes to Sakura. She is better at healing/medical stuff than Chiyo. As we know she couldn't heal Kankuro when he was poisoned, Sakura had to to it, her medical knowledge long surpassed Chiyo's. Chiyo was also impressed with Sakura's medical skills herself more than once. As for that one technique that Chiyo used on Gaara, yes that is something that Sakura can't do but it can only be used once and the user dies in exchange. Whilst Sakura can actually heal / cure her "patient".

[UnknownMercinary]

If it can only be used once...How did chiyo use it twice? She used ot on sakura first, then later on gaara.

[Hyonimaru]

Sakura is a much better all round then Chiyo. Chiyo's famous move is a double edged sword. You can't really use that jutsu, and walk away happy.

[Karma]

Chiyo because you can't compare simple healing skills to resurrecting dead people.

[newman1992]

i vote sakura because she has better healing that can be used without sacrificing herself. Chiyo might might be able to bring back the dead but she can only do that once. her other healing powers are far inferior to sakura so overall sakura is a better doctor/healer

[Gokurules]

The only medical skill Sakura has shown is the common Healing technique and a poison removal. Chiyo can use her own life energy to cure people who were labeled as good as dead. And we are supposed to judge to medical knowledge / skills , not the side effects the skill has on the user but on the patient.

[newman1992]

That isnt said anywhere that we cant take into account the fact that she dies when she uses that technique. That ability = she dies. The cost of a technique has to be a part of decision.

[Gokurules]

Theme

- Best Doctor (No fighting , just best medical skills)

I don't see cost in this , do you?
And saving someone from death is the ultimate accomplishment a doctor can get.Sakura is just a common medic with some knowledge on poison, Chiyo is someone who can practically save everyone who is hurt and non dead and even if they are dead she can bring them back once. Thus her medical skills > Sakura's and we are not supposed to care about the cost as long as it does not have any effect on the patient.

[dexter]

Then why Chiyo couldn't help Kankuro?

[Gokurules]

Then why Chiyo couldn't help Kankuro?

Cause the poison had advanced and she could not get it out because Sakura knew a little more about poison, while when Sakura got hit by Sasoris's poison she healed her with ease cause the poison had not advanced and saved her and Im sure Sakura would have died if it wasn't for Chiyo.

And I ask you, is knowing a little more about poison better than reviving the dead and curing those who were labeled as good as dead ?

[newman1992]

you just said sakura did better than chiyo in healing an advanced poison xD

[Gokurules]

you just said sakura did better than chiyo in healing an advanced poison xD

And we can just say like fools that REMOVING (not exterminating) a single poison better than all the rest that Chiyo is capable of, cause the only things Sakura can do is a simple healing technique and a poison removal one.

[dexter]

Gokurules you like to use word like "just" and "simple" as an argument to diminish the facts as you did many times before in other CB's.
simple healing technique and a poison removal one.
It's not a simple healing techinque, Sakura's skills in healing are far superior to usual medics As was stated by many characters in Naruto. Same with Poison removal it is actualy something that made the medics of Sunagakure as well as Chiyo drop their jaws and look impressed for the whole operation.

Cause the poison had advanced and she could not get it out because Sakura knew a little more about poison, while when Sakura got hit by Sasoris's poison she healed her with ease cause the poison had not advanced and saved her and Im sure Sakura would have died if it wasn't for Chiyo.

Sakura knew a little more about poison? Tsunade specialized in countering Chiyo's poisons which she taught to Sakura. "It's not just a little"
Also during the fight against Sasori Sakura had her antidote which she used on herself to counter poison so it was easier to heal her.

Chiyo is someone who can practically save everyone who is hurt and non dead and even if they are dead she can bring them back once.
If she would bring back from the dead Kankuro he would have died again because of the poison in his body.

Theme

- Best Doctor as in "doctor"

[Karma]

Then again, this thread isn't for arguing but for voting.

Chiyo is better.

I lol'ed when dex pointed out the word "doctor". A good doctor can save both alive and dead people~ exactly, Sakura can't do both.

[newman1992]

and chiyo isnt great as saving alive people .. and can only save a dead one once so by your standards chiyo isnt that great

[Gokurules]

Gokurules you like to use word like "just" and "simple" as an argument to diminish the facts as you did many times before in other CB's.

It's not a simple healing techinque, Sakura's skills in healing are far superior to usual medics As was stated by many characters in Naruto. Same with Poison removal it is actualy something that made the medics of Sunagakure as well as Chiyo drop their jaws and look impressed for the whole operation.


Sakura knew a little more about poison? Tsunade specialized in countering Chiyo's poisons which she taught to Sakura. "It's not just a little"
Also during the fight against Sasori Sakura had her antidote which she used on herself to counter poison so it was easier to heal her.


If she would bring back from the dead Kankuro he would have died again because of the poison in his body.

Theme

- Best Doctor as in "doctor"

And you like to focus on details, when there is a forest fire , you are supposed to save the forest not one tree. Your entire arguement is based on Kankuro, why? Cause thats the only one Sakura has helped with her medical skills. And Sasori said it himself "That girl is going to die" Did she? No. Why? We know the answer to that. Anyways Im done with this, speaking to people who cannot get the whole idea and just grasp a few details.

[Karma]

and chiyo isnt great as saving alive people .. and can only save a dead one once so by your standards chiyo isnt that great
If she ain't good in saving alive people.. "Chiyo was very knowledgeable when it came to handling poisons and used her skills often during the Second Great Shinobi World War".

[newman1992]

she was good at curing poisons she made. a rule to any user of a poision (well a smart one) is to know the antidote of your poison so it isnt suprising she knows how to cure poisons she made. It never states she healed poisons used by the other villages or even healed during the war

[Karma]

It never states she healed poisons used by the other villages...
Then again, it doesn't state she didn't heal poisons used by the other villages.

[dexter]

And Sasori said it himself "That girl is going to die" Did she? No. Why? We know the answer to that.
Thanks to the combination of Sakura's antidote and Chiyo's healing abilities.:rolleyes:


Your entire arguement is based on Kankuro, why?

It's is not based only on Kankuro. If you could read it carefuly you would know.
But why am I focusing on Kankuro? It's because it proves Sakura's superiority over Chiyo's medical skills, if it's proved then it's is proved. Chiyo isn't better doctor because she knows one shot technique (that kills her as a result) but the rest of her medical skills are worse than Sakura's. Who is focusing on only one thing me?

[Axoyothe]

4 more hours for this .

[Gokurules]

Thanks to the combination of Sakura's antidote and Chiyo's healing abilities.:rolleyes:


It's is not based only on Kankuro. If you could read it carefuly you would know.
But why am I focusing on Kankuro? It's because it proves Sakura's superiority over Chiyo's medical skills, if it's proved then it's is proved. Chiyo isn't better doctor because she knows one shot technique (that kills her as a result) but the rest of her medical skills are worse than Sakura's. Who is focusing on only one thing me?

You are , I would let this go but I cant just do it. Kankuro proves her superiority? Please , so healing one patient outmatches all those years of curing hundrends of patients in the War ? No it does not. And I said that Chiyo's greatest ability is to use life itself not her one shot ability.And her skills are worse than Sakura's? She Saved Sakura from certain death. Why didn't Sakura who is so good as you claim save herself? Because she could not, her antidote was not going to save her, so Chiyo had to step in.
In terms of experience and skills no matter how you look at it Sakura is inferior. Except the poison removal technique which can be used when someone is poisoned and only then , Chiyo knows all of Sakura's techniques plus the S-Rank one that is the best medical skill we have seen so far and can be used on both dead and alive people.

[Hyonimaru]

Personally I don't even see Chiyo as a doctor. As far as I remember she was a Puppet, and Poison Master. Extracting poison is one thing.

Kishou Tensi is a secret Ninjutsu ability developed by Chiyo. With this technique, Chiyo can transfer her life in exchange for one who is already dead. Chiyo claims she can even breathe life back into a hitokugutsu with this technique. This technique thereby allows Chiyo to save the life of those too badly damaged for typically medical treatment jutsu like Shousen.

If the target of the jutsu is not dead, Chiyo will not transfer all her life essence in exchange. Thus allowing her to barely live, and stabilize the gravely injured just recipient.

It's a good jutsu and all, but it still takes away her life even if the ally is still alive. Of course in a war you want to save as much people you can, and not just a couple or even 1. Since it's not energy taken away, but life it self. This is the only flaw in Chiyo.

[6th_espada]

Im gonna vote for sakura on this one, chiyo is a medical-nin but her mainly use is medical knowledge as a poison expert. as shown that sakura knowledge of poisons and herbal medicine, surpassing the like of chiyo. not to mention her healing ability surpass chiyo sakura can heal from fatal injuries some of the medic can't even do that and their are more experience than sakura.

[Gokurules]

Personally I don't even see Chiyo as a doctor. As far as I remember she was a Puppet, and Poison Master. Extracting poison is one thing.



It's a good jutsu and all, but it still takes away her life even if the ally is still alive. Of course in a war you want to save as much people you can, and not just a couple or even 1. Since it's not energy taken away, but life it self. This is the only flaw in Chiyo.

Yes but if the ally is still alive the user will not die.
At least you are reasonable and I agree that is her only flaw but she still surpasses Sakura.

(PS: I just noticed that everyone has just copied and pasted naruto.wikia info without even altering anything..)

[Hyonimaru]

Yes but if the ally is still alive the user will not die.
At least you are reasonable and I agree that is her only flaw but she still surpasses Sakura.

(PS: I just noticed that everyone has just copied and pasted naruto.wikia info without even altering anything..)

That's correct. Though, if we go according to that definition wouldn't that mean the more time shes uses it on a alive person, the more her life essence goes down, which would result in death from using it to much?

Then again, I don't think Chiyo would be foolish enough to use it so many times unless she had to. I'm not voting for Sakura, or anything like that. Just pointing out some stuff.

[dexter]

Why didn't Sakura who is so good as you claim save herself? Because she could not, her antidote was not going to save her, so Chiyo had to step in.


How someone who can't even move can heal / save him/herself? :confused:
I'm not saying her antidote would saved her but without it Chiyo wouldn't save Sakura. duh Even with that life sacrifacing technique she wouldn't save her if that poison would still be in Sakura's body.

[Gokurules]

How someone who can't even move can heal / save him/herself? :confused:
I'm not saying her antidote would saved her but without it Chiyo wouldn't save Sakura. duh Even with that life sacrifacing technique she wouldn't save her if that poison would still be in Sakura's body.

Poison gets absorbed by the gut or skin and gradually dissapears if the poisoned target dies.Meaning she would be able to save her.

[dexter]

Poison gets absorbed by the gut or skin and gradually dissapears if the poisoned target dies.Meaning she would be able to save her.

absorbed by skin? hmmm and if it's absorbed by skin where will the poison be? ?:D in the body?
Dunno if that absorbing is even possible and if it was how long it would take

[hitsugayanaruto]

my vote goes to Sakura....obviously because she was trained by Tsunade and she is better then chiyo so Sakura is better.....now lets forget about tsunade when Kankuro got hit by sasoris poison chiyo wasnt able to help him but Sakura was able to cure him and she created the medicine by her self...i think but still she was able to cure Kankuro and chiyo couldnt......you guys are saying that chiyo can bring people back to life?1 thing that technique is a ninjutsu ability not MEDICAL TECHNIQUE so it is clear that chiyo is not much of a doctor like sakura...and her abilities of bringing people back to life dosent proof that she is a good doctor but it proofs that she is a good Ninja thats all....oh yeah and the fact she can bring back to life she can use it once offering her life.....we have seen in many anime people can bring people back to life offering there life and they are not doctors they used power to do that....AGAIN CHIYOS ABILITY TO BRING PEOPLE BACK TO LIFE IS NINJUTSU NOT MEDICAL TECHNIQUES...+the reason y chiyo didnt die when she healed sakura is because sakura wasnt dead but she was able so save gaara because gaara was dead....but unfortunately she died because gaara was 100% dead.

[Hyonimaru]

my vote goes to Sakura....obviously because she was trained by Tsunade and she is better then chiyo so Sakura is better.....now lets forget about tsunade when Kankuro got hit by sasoris poison chiyo wasnt able to help him but Sakura was able to cure him and she created the medicine by her self...i think but still she was able to cure Kankuro and chiyo couldnt......you guys are saying that chiyo can bring people back to life?1 thing that technique is a ninjutsu ability not MEDICAL TECHNIQUE so it is clear that chiyo is not much of a doctor like sakura...and her abilities of bringing people back to life dosent proof that she is a good doctor but it proofs that she is a good Ninja thats all.

And what do you call medical techniques?
/Facepalm

Ninjutsu is the obvious answer. Ninjutus, Taijutsu, Fuuinjutsu, Genjutsu, and Dojutsu. There is no seperate term for medical skills, as they fall under 'Ninjutsu'

[hitsugayanaruto]

And what do you call medical techniques?
/Facepalm

Ninjutsu is the obvious answer. Ninjutus, Taijutsu, Fuuinjutsu, Genjutsu, and Dojutsu. There is no seperate term for medical skills, as they fall under 'Ninjutsu'Ninjutsu,Tajutsu,Fuuinjutsu,Genjutsu and Dojutsu are part of jutsus not Ninjutus Ninjutsu is part of Jutsu get it?
if u remember the episode correctly Naruto thought Chiyo healed gaara without offering her life and Kakashi was talking about it and he said it wasnt Medical jutsu...now how did Naruto knew the truth?as i said Naruto thought Chiyo healed gaara using medical techniques but then sakura told him that it wasnt a medical jutsu it was Ninjutsu....besides if it was medical jutsu can medicine or healing bring people back to life or give life to unliving thing or whatever?i dont think so unless it is power that is above Medical or whatever u want to call...so Chiyo didnt use medical jutsus...also if i was wrong about the Ninjutsu thing u mentioned 1 of Ninjutsu is Ninjutsu now that cant be right can it?

[Hyonimaru]

Ninjutsu,Tajutsu,Fuuinjutsu,Genjutsu and Dojutsu are part of jutsus not Ninjutus Ninjutsu is part of Jutsu get it?
if u remember the episode correctly Naruto thought Chiyo healed gaara without offering her life and Kakashi was talking about it and he said it wasnt Ninjutsu...now how naruto knew the truth?as i said Naruto thought Chiyo healed gaara using medical techniques but then sakura told him that wasnt a medical jutsu it was Ninjutsu....besides if it was medical jutsu can medicine or healing bring people back to life?i dont think so unless it is power that is above Medical or whatever u want to call...so Chiyo didnt use medical jutsus.

Lol, are you retarded? Ninjutsu,Tajutsu,Fuuinjutsu,Genjutsu and Dojutsu ARE classification OF jutsu's. They aren't part of anything. That move is indeed Ninjutsu, BUT it is medical at the same time. Medical Jutsu's have no classification, they fall under Ninjutsu. Get it through your thick skull.

[hitsugayanaruto]

ok so ur right but still she didn't use the Medical part of Ninjutsu....even sakura mentioned that.

[Gokurules]

Ninjutsu,Tajutsu,Fuuinjutsu,Genjutsu and Dojutsu are part of jutsus not Ninjutus Ninjutsu is part of Jutsu get it?
if u remember the episode correctly Naruto thought Chiyo healed gaara without offering her life and Kakashi was talking about it and he said it wasnt Medical jutsu...now how did Naruto knew the truth?as i said Naruto thought Chiyo healed gaara using medical techniques but then sakura told him that it wasnt a medical jutsu it was Ninjutsu....besides if it was medical jutsu can medicine or healing bring people back to life or give life to unliving thing or whatever?i dont think so unless it is power that is above Medical or whatever u want to call...so Chiyo didnt use medical jutsus.

Implied Facepalm.
Medical Jutsu are a sub-category of Ninjutsu.And you are trying to use real life terms of medicine in an anime? Double Facepalm.
And she used the same jutsu to cure Sakura when she was poisoned by Sasori , so its a medical jutsu alright.

[hitsugayanaruto]

Implied Facepalm.
Medical Jutsu are a sub-category of Ninjutsu.And you are trying to use real life terms of medicine in an anime? Double Facepalm.
And she used the same jutsu to cure Sakura when she was poisoned by Sasori , so its a medical jutsu alright.and what did i say that make u think that i connected anime to real life?and listen if your saying that because she cured sakura using that move it became medical technique eh?i will explain this clearly and slowly....1st of all,im gonna mention this again its true that Medical ninjutsu is part of ninjutsu but the technique chiyo used wasnt part of MEDICAL NIJUTSU and i watched the episode countless times and sakura told Naruto that the jutsu wasnt a damn Medical Ninjutsu....2nd think what kind of healing can u actually give life to some1 else....medical stuff is when you try to make some1 better/cure someone from disease or sickness or whatever and to save life not to bring some1 who is already DEAD.

[Hyonimaru]

and what did i say that make u think that i connected anime to real life?and listen if your saying that because she cured sakura using that move it became medical technique eh?i will explain this clearly and slowly....1st of all,im gonna mention this again its true that Medical ninjutsu is part of ninjutsu but the technique chiyo used wasnt part of MEDICAL NIJUTSU and i watched the episode countless times and sakura told Naruto that the jutsu wasnt a damn Medical Ninjutsu....2nd think what kind of healing can u actually give life to some1 else....medical stuff is when you try to make some1 better/cure someone from disease or sickness or whatever and to save life not to bring some1 who is already DEAD.


And I'm going to state this again. It may be classified as Ninjutsu, but it is still something medical.

'to make some1 better/cure someone from disease or sickness or whatever and to save life not to bring some1 who is already DEAD.'

That is such a horrible way to put it. Once again, this is anime, not real life. Anything can happen

[Gokurules]

and what did i say that make u think that i connected anime to real life?
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Ill explain it, you said: "what kind of medicine , herb can ressurect dead people ?" That is common sense , but in anime common sense does not apply.

[Axoyothe]

This ends , here , now ~ Sakura wins and brings 1 more userbar for Hyon to work on (2 in total) *sigh* ............

[SoulVenom]

This ends , here , now ~ Sakura wins and brings 1 more userbar for Hyon to work on (2 in total) *sigh* ............

Do i choose theme for next one?

[Hyonimaru]

This ends , here , now ~ Sakura wins and brings 1 more userbar for Hyon to work on (2 in total) *sigh* ............
Yeah Yeah >.>
Do i choose theme for next one?

Yes. Post it here

[SoulVenom]

2v2 Tourney
Swords Only

[Axoyothe]

How the fu... does it work ?
Char with most Determinaton / no fighting ... (well this is basiclly main chars fight)