Do you think Ichigo will find a form beyond Bankai?

[Xiraiya]

I was wondering to my self before and I thought, I wonder if Ichigo will somehow find a form beyond Bankai.
I mean someone would have to have discovered Shikai & Bankai originally, what do you guys think?

Because he is going to have to become the strongest in the series somehow, it wouldn't surprise me if he found some new form involving his hollow power other than just that mask.

[Enma_Kon]

i was thinking of that 2 :| mabye some day/episode hell find a new kind of bankai :)

[Xyber4]

Ive thought about that for a while now.

I figure if they take the Dragonball z approach, theyll just keep finding new forms XD

My bet for the name is "Trankai"....Imma copyright it haha

[Xiraiya]

Haha, then you can sue them when they bring it out in the Manga, I don't think it'll go as far as Dragonball Z, I do like the idea Ichigo may discover a whole new form though, or even if if the General decides to train him, that would be good too.

Hell, I'd like Soul Society to recognize the fact Ichigo is stronger than half of the captains haha.

[jrome]

yea i think so cause it always seem like the main character will find some way of gettin stronger or gettin a new form of somethin

[hitsugayaz]

he already did,his hollow form lolz (he talkz kewl when he iz in that form)

[Ninjaslayer]

That would be cool...But it'd probably so strong that he'd took over the universe....

[R3nton]

Well if you don't watch the fan subbed version I can see why
you would not know that he has found another form beyond
Bankai which is his new hollow transformation form , I don't
want to ruin It for you so keep watching and you will see soon.

[Amaya]

Probably, cause everytime he like about to die or something he does the impossible or whatever. XD

[Tidus]

He has Hollow but he cant stay in very long can he or have i missed some eps

[Wicked_Will]

I wouldn't be surprised, main protagonists (at least in anime) have a habit of finding abilities NO ONE ELSE HAS. Lucky punks. :p

[jrome]

He has Hollow but he cant stay in very long can he or have i missed some eps

when he was fightin grimmjow for the 3rd time it lasted longer then it did befor

[Xiraiya]

We know about Ichigo using the Hollow mask as a power boost, I mean fighting Grimmjow he held it on for the whole fight so his abilities seem to grow during fights, but he only "just" managed to defeat Grimmjow with the mask, now he has to fight Ulq and I can't see him winning since Grimmjow was nothing compared to Ulq strength wise.

[MALYGOS]

Actually I think that there is no form beyond BAN-KAI. Ichigo might find some sort of new special trick with it but he will not invent a new form of sword release.

[DreamTime]

Well i think it has to have some conection with the hallowfication.But i think what aizen is doing will help him find a new level in the next 100 eps ^_^

[prcy]

yea i think he will find another form because these anime always have a way of making the main characters more powerful before a huge fight

[Xiraiya]

Possibily Urahara will reveal a way for Ichigo to gain more power, knowing him it wouldn't surprise me haha.

[Karyuudan]

BanKai means Final Form... I think will not having nothing beyond this.
He can find other sources like the Mask but about the Zampakutou there is nothing more to be done.

[Xiraiya]

BanKai means Final Form... I think will not having nothing beyond this.
He can find other sources like the Mask but about the Zampakutou there is nothing more to be done.

Yeah I kind of agree with you there, I suppose if there are any other forms, they will be Vizard forms, unique to Ichigo.

[Karyuudan]

Yeah like a full armor set of hollow... man that will be great xD

[KRO]

The Hollow is the form beyond bankai...that's what Aizen said after saying there is no further sword form and that was the reason for the Vizzys and Arranzys.

[Grimmjow]

I was thinking of that "Beyond Bankai" but not in a hollow form thou

[hitsuqaya]

yaahh definately lolsz
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll154/chris4prezz/BTSig.jpg

[Scorpion]

He will become in complete control of his hollow not get a new form of bankai.

[draquan]

i think he get some sort of new sort of mental attack

he can stay a lot longer in hollow form now

[seireitei]

Well, getting past his hollow mask transformation would probably be like a 'full hollow transformation' or something, where he gains all the power/strength from when the vizard were tryng to get him to conquer his inner hollow.

You're all gonna give me a cookie if i'm right, aren't you? o,o

[CVajax]

its called the Trankai :.:.:{*}%,?:":

[Strawhat]

YoYo.Well i been thinking about that for a while. That form may not be his bankai it could be hes Shikai. Well that's just a thought

[Urahara]

Yeah I hope so, but that'll never happen when all these dumb fillers are running -.-

[Abarai_Renji]

yeah, ichigo's gonna find hollow powers & i dunno the next power he's gonna have

[Gin_Ichimaru]

well if i had to guess maybe his hollow will completely take over and it may unleash a new stronger form of the bankai

[TRuSaint]

Ichigo will definitely find a new form =o

[Omega]

I think its like hes shikai, bankai, half hollow, hollow, then something lol,

[Atsutobi]

I honestly think it won't be to dramatic if he does go beyond Bankai. I think it will be a slightly more powerful form.

[SpOoKiE]

yea he'll do it. i mean he is the strongest soul reaper that has lived (technically he is dead but that is for another time).

[UlquiorraKun]

I think that he will not find a new form of Bankai... maybe he`ll become in complete control of his hollow... we`ll see ^^

[Funbags]

i hope not....hes already strong enough with his hollow transformation....all hes probabily gonna do from here is improve on that

[Urahara]

@Funbags
yeah but he's still weak as hell compared to aizen, even with the hollow thing.

*SPOILER IF YOU HAVENT SEEN RECENT EPISODES IN HEUCO MUNDO*

Ulquiorra, number 4 espada, stopped ichigo's best attack.
Now think what number 1 could do? Probably stop and counter with ease.
Now think, what could Aizen do?
Stop it with 2 fingers and laugh, then growl then say Rawr! and kill him with his voice.

So he needs to do something lol

[Ryujinjakka]

he might but i can see a few other ppl doing the same too though

[B_Prodigy]

i doubt it but it ne thing could happen

[CaptainAizen]

this theory probably is true because i have also thought of that,I thought of that because Ichigo is weak right now and would need wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more power inorder to even be in Aizens presence.

[destinyhero]

i don't really think that coz he has found that hollow transformation

[ncmoss91]

guys if u dont remember ichigo has not reached bankai
byakuya told him that in the soul society
so maybe he will finally get it

[Xiraiya]

guys if u dont remember ichigo has not reached bankai
byakuya told him that in the soul society
so maybe he will finally get it

No, that was definitely a Bankai, Byakuya just didn't believe it at first, when Ichigo stabs him, Byakuya feels the blade and acknowledges that it is a Bankai and explains how it seems to work.

[sextagrimmjow]

he better cause if he doesnt hes not going to get anywhere in his currrent level....

[Xiraiya]

he better cause if he doesnt hes not going to get anywhere in his currrent level....

Exactly, but I think the other thing I want to know is. How on earth did Aizen get so strong in soul society, I mean hopefully we'll get to see old man general fight with bankai.

[soulofmoonblood]

Exactly, but I think the other thing I want to know is. How on earth did Aizen get so strong in soul society, I mean hopefully we'll get to see old man general fight with bankai.

the old man general`s(cant think of his name)bankai will probally burn the world to ashes
but bleach is unpredictable Ichigo probally wont find a form beyond bankai but wil gain more powerful hollow forms

[shinji]

lol another form i really dont think so honestly the shinigami have been there forever and no one has found anything past that not even urahara so i think the highest thing he is gonna get is holllow moves like cero just like shinji knows

[memories_of_rem]

There won't be a form past Bankai, it's too cheesy.

Ichigo already has his power boost and that's his hollow form transformation.

[Naru44]

It's actually very simple to know what's going to happen like many people already said. He is going to master his hollow side completely so that he can perform hollow attacks like zero in his strongest form.

[Rodnie13]

no i dont think so but dats y he has the hollow mask

[jonatangh]

he should it would make bleach more intersting

[Benitora]

No, I really don't think so.
Shikai is the family name of the Blade, while the Bankai is the full name of the blade.
How can the name be any longer than the full?
If there is a step beyond...it would be a nickname of that blade...doesn't make much sense.

[Cryonix]

While Ichigo finding Cero would be a truly frightening prospect...we have yet to really see the true potential of his hollow form with Bankai. Once Ichigo has mastered both...and learns to use his reiatsu more sparingly...he might be unbeatable

But as for another form outside of Bankai...no. It would become too cheesy and Bleach would lose a lot of flavor, IMO.

[CaptainIchimaru]

i think there can be passed a bankia like when ichigo vs byakuya when he revealed sankai senbonzakura kageyushi i think there will

[yoman13]

Isnt his vizard form stronger than bankai

[darkrow]

he already has something stronger then bankai his hollow transformation

[ry1993]

Hollow Form I Think Is Still Bankia But Just Darker
And Nah I Dont think he will find one up above bankia

[Suzaku]

I don't really think so, Bankai means the Final Form of a zanpakuto. There's no way a zanpakuto can go beyond it's final form, but it can be enhanced like bakouto or hollow transformation.

[KibaShikamaru]

True.Although i would find bleach even more interesting if they did something like what they did with naruto shippuden. But they would have to make aizen survive the big fake karakura town thing if they end it there. Which i very hope it doesnt.

[hitsugayanaruto]

i think there is a power beyond bankai too and i think hitsugaya and ichigo will go beyond it or discover it because ichigo learned bankai for about some days and none shinigami can do that it takes years and i think hitsugaya can because he found his zanpaktou when he is a kid and also soon like ichigo so the people who achived bankai soon will probably go beyond bankai thats wat i think

[giantKon]

Ichigo's not the only one who reached his bankai in three days. Reaching bankai needs tens and tens of years, possibly hundreds. But I'm thinking that Hitsugaya has some hidden powers, 'cos after all, he's the prodigal kid of all Shinigamis (like Neo on Matrix, The ^^').

[RenjiAbari]

Well just pointing out Ichigo sorta already did with his hollow so.....

[Gun_Slinger]

Well just pointing out Ichigo sorta already did with his hollow so.....
I agree with renji
I think Icigo's hollowfication is his way of going beyond his bankai

[Talia]

i think ichigo will because he mastered bankai withen a week when it normally takes years. so i think it is possible that he could create a third form for his zanpakuto. he could also become a captain because his dad was a soul society captain.

[AlMiGhTy]

I think ichigo will be willing to try taking on the chance to learn a new form.So,its possible in the future he will...

[Talia]

i agree with you.
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[UnknownMercinary]

So even though Soul Society has existed for hundreds of thousands of years, no one has ever discovered anything past bankai before, Including Aizen who devoted himself to finding something, Ichigo the newbie is gonna find it? H I G H L Y unlikely.

[Korihono]

He'll master his vaizard, probably.. And he might go, I mean bleach will have alot of episode and without new techniques, abilities for the main character it bores you.

[Calintz]

Well, i think its almost impossible for him to find a whole new level beyond bankai. He more than like likely will gain more abilities within his bankai, but the only plausible power up/level up i can see coming is with his hollow powers.

Maybe even turn into that hollow thing we saw in his vaizard training...

[tousen1099]

ok if u dont like sporliers dont read

ok so i think that in the big fight alll the captains wil get beat by azien tousen and gin after the captaians kill all the esapada and them ichigo will kill the last espada and and udahra will open a portall for ichigo the captains and them to get back to fight azien after tousen and gin are being fought off by everyone else its just azien and ichigo they will begin to fight and ichgio will be getting owned but them he mixes his bankia and his hollow mask togher to bacome the untimate fighting machine and him and azien will be equel in strenth and then uryu and ichigos dads show up and distracte azien and ichigo comes in for the filinal blow and u used the untimate cero that is 1000 times strounger than all the other ceros combined and then they will kill tousen and gin and the will end the seris with ichigo beomce the 1st captain and all these new captians coming in sence most of the captains died

[niyaz_991]

I think that if the Bleach Manga carries on like Naruto did with Ship then i bet they will find some sort of new Attibute better than bankai and something that you can form out of reitsu, like a cannonball made out of reitsu.

[Gokurules]

hmmm its possible that he will develop his hollow powers even more but i dont think he will surpass bankai , maybe develop a new power but not surpassing bankai

[gagashi]

i think he'll be having a full hollowfication (like the one the vaizards fought) without losing control

[Suzaku]

hmmm its possible that he will develop his hollow powers even more but i dont think he will surpass bankai , maybe develop a new power but not surpassing bankai

You never know, the first shinigami to get shikai probably thought at first, "Wow the power of my zanpakutou is strong! There's no way it can get stronger!", but it did with Bankai. So there's no rule that any power in Bleach can't get stronger.

[Gokurules]

well i believe if somebody had found something beyond bankai Ol'Yama would too .

[Midori]

I think he will learn another Bankai phase. For example Byakuya has 4 Bankai states, so i think Ichigo will gain atleast 1 more killer Bankai move!!!!!!!!

[InFecT]

He already has...It's called Hollow form.

[SoulVenom]

yea maybe he will have another form like the arrancar do

[giantKon]

He already has...It's called Hollow form.
_Actually- NO. It's not his bankai's "second stage" it's just using hollowic powers, and that mask which he has, it just reflects his inner hollow. Besides, he can use that mask any time he wants, he doesn't have to be in his bankai form.

_And I have to agree with Suzaku's last post that probably, Ichigo will find something more beyond. And why Ol'Yama? His reiatsu isn't anything extraordinary, Ichigo's reiatsu is. And because Ichigo's a main character, he'll find something beyond bankai. Even the fact that Bleach would else get a bit boring if just get to see bankai's but that lasts until there isn't any to see.
_And I support the theory that Ichigo will archive his full hollow form and is able to control it. Full Hollow + Shinigami= Extremely Insane Power and with Ichigo's reiatsu and all this..

[Gokurules]

Well i wouldnt call Ol'Yama's reiatsu nothin special, since he can take on 2 captains with ease and with just a look can make a vice captain collapse.

[rumjello]

i was thinking the same thing i just never brought it up

[Holy_knight]

maybe if he combine his hollow POWER up and his natural talent he might be able to reform the bankai into another stage...

[Brawler4Life]

He might gain something beyond bankai, but we have too wait and see.

[ulquiorra_ep]

I seriously hope not, that would just be a lame #ss excuse for him to be EXTRA powerfull. No instead I hope he learnes more moves and becomes stronger by getting better at controlling his hollow and zangetsu...

[Rase]

look at byakuya's bankai and what he can do now just think what ichigo could do if he had that much control ovet zangetsu......

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I seriously hope not, that would just be a lame #ss excuse for him to be EXTRA powerfull. No instead I hope he learnes more moves and becomes stronger by getting better at controlling his hollow and zangetsu

[hitsugayanaruto]

i think some people who has a special unknown secret ability like ichigo and hitsugaya will discover something beyond bankai and no im not talking about vaizard

[UnknownMercinary]

OK new theory, Ichigo will find something beyond Bankai. It will be when Zangetsu and Shirosaki finally become friends and "Fully Unite" and become one with each other and his sword will turn into a Hollow Zanpaktuo that will be stronger than both a Captain Class Bankai and an Espada Class Ressureccion. And he will be like WTFPWNZERZ on Ulquiorria. Cause that is basically the only way he has any chance in hell of survivng this fight.

[Suzaku]

OK new theory, Ichigo will find something beyond Bankai. It will be when Zangetsu and Shirosaki finally become friends and "Fully Unite" and become one with each other and his sword will turn into a Hollow Zanpaktuo that will be stronger than both a Captain Class Bankai and an Espada Class Ressureccion. And he will be like WTFPWNZERZ on Ulquiorria. Cause that is basically the only way he has any chance in hell of survivng this fight.

They already are one with each other, Zangetsu is Hollow Ichigo, Hollow Ichigo is Zangetsu, neither can exist without either.

[UnknownMercinary]

They already are one with each other, Zangetsu is Hollow Ichigo, Hollow Ichigo is Zangetsu, neither can exist without either.

Strange considering Zangetsu existed before Shirosaki ever did...

[Suzaku]

Strange considering Zangetsu existed before Shirosaki ever did...

He didn't exist before Hollow Ichigo, it's because he was dominating him or Hollow Ichigo was dormant, just like the other Shinigami's hollows in Soul Society.

[Rase]

remember when ichigo went back to his world and shirosaki was there and ichigo was asking where old man zengetsu and shirosaki said i am zengetsu,

[rumjello]

I think that if the Bleach Manga carries on like Naruto did with Ship then i bet they will find some sort of new Attibute better than bankai and something that you can form out of reitsu, like a cannonball made out of reitsu.

[Valious]

Well, Ichigo won't be the first to achieve it. Some of the Vaizard are way more powerful than him. They probably found Hollow Release (like what the arrancar can do).

[UnknownMercinary]

He didn't exist before Hollow Ichigo, it's because he was dominating him or Hollow Ichigo was dormant, just like the other Shinigami's hollows in Soul Society.

The other Vizards went through the same thing Ichigo did but had it forced upon them by Aizen. They already had their relationshops with their inner zanpaktuo which means their spirits existed before their hollowification ever existed. Same with Ichigo. He had his zanpaktuo for quite a while before he went through hollowification. Shirosaki is basically the inner hollow inside Ichigo where as Zangetsu is the spirit in his Zanpaktuo. It is said that a shinigami and their zanpaktuo are supposed to be one mind and soul to acheive bankai which is assuming they are seperated to begin with. So basically Ichigo = Ichigo, Shirosaki = Inner Hollow of Ichigo/extension of Ichigo's soul, Zangetsu = Spirit of Ichigo's sword/extension of Ichigo's soul. And because they are both extensions of Ichigo's soul one will be dominant over the other at parts, but they are not the same being.

[Suzaku]

remember when ichigo went back to his world and shirosaki was there and ichigo was asking where old man zengetsu and shirosaki said i am zengetsu,

There's the proof.

The other Vizards went through the same thing Ichigo did but had it forced upon them by Aizen. They already had their relationshops with their inner zanpaktuo which means their spirits existed before their hollowification ever existed. Same with Ichigo. He had his zanpaktuo for quite a while before he went through hollowification. Shirosaki is basically the inner hollow inside Ichigo where as Zangetsu is the spirit in his Zanpaktuo. It is said that a shinigami and their zanpaktuo are supposed to be one mind and soul to acheive bankai which is assuming they are seperated to begin with. So basically Ichigo = Ichigo, Shirosaki = Inner Hollow of Ichigo/extension of Ichigo's soul, Zangetsu = Spirit of Ichigo's sword/extension of Ichigo's soul. And because they are both extensions of Ichigo's soul one will be dominant over the other at parts, but they are not the same being.

Hollowfication is when the Hollow inside a person is awakened. Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are the same being because;
1) A soul cannot be entirely made up of either a hollow or shinigami, the proof is the existence of Vizard and Arrancars. This means a Shinigami's Hollow is dormant.
2) They're the same being because you never see them at the same time except when Zangetsu brought out Hollow Ichigo by force.

MASSIVE PROOF
http://img56.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000106782/02.jpg

[UnknownMercinary]

Your not getting what im saying though. Im saying they are extensions of Ichigo's soul. Not all part of one giant soul clusterf***. Shirosaki came out when he under went hollofication. Zangetsu came around when Ichigo manifested his Shinigami powers. They are both part of Ichigo's soul so the dominant one will be the represented one. When Ichigo fight Shirosaki he is the dominant one but when he beats him Zangetsu is the dominant one shown. Its like genetics, the stronger more dominant trait is shown and the weaker recessive trait is hidden. They aren't the same person but merely part of the original Ichigo's soul. And Shirosaki getting absorbed isn't him actually getting absorbed its just saying Ichigo's soul isn't representing his hollow Shirosaki side anymore.

And to further explain if needed. Every shinigami's zanpaktuo has a spirit like Zangetsu. Hence the reason every zanpaktuo has its own name or release command specific to it. We know this by Renji's Zabimaru also being represented by the baboon snake thing. However not every shinigami has a hollow. We know this because...well they arent all vizards. So basically all shinigami have their soul represented by the spirit in their zanpaktuo. But once they go under hollowification their soul struggles to either represent the hollow side or the zanpaktuo side. The Vizards took control of their hollow side so they can represent either at will, basically the mask is them letting out a portion of the hollow power. Whereas Byakuya or Mayuri have their zanpaktuo fully represented by their inner zanpaktuo's spirit.

[Xiraiya]

I'm going to say my thoughts on Hollow Ichigo. Watch the first 20 or so episodes of Bleach (Before Urahara's training), and I guarantee you'll find that Shirosaki was never really dormant in the first place, several instances Ichigo's personality drastically changed and he could no longer feel the pain from his wounds.

(the most obvious one was the first fight with Renji)

It seems to be, that Shinigami have to forcibly awaken that hollow part of their soul, such as Aizens method.

However, what does it mean if that hollow has been awake for the entire time? I mean while he couldn't do a whole lot until Zangetsu was released, he was still definitely there and had influence on Ichigo's mind at times.

I have noticed a few things about Ichigo.

- Urahara seemed to know all about Ichigo long before Ichigo had even met urahara

- Shinji also seemed to know all about Ichigo from the beginning as well.

- Ichigo's unexplainable "prodigy" like shinigami abilities.

- Shinji made it out as if Shirosaki is an exception as far as inner hollows go and that he could potentially destroy everything if he was completely free.

- I believe Shirosaki is actually a Vasto Lorde class hollow while other vaizard hollows aren't.

These are just my opinions, I personally believe Ichigo's mother may have been something that's connected to hollows or that Isshin while being a captain class Shinigami, he potentially has noble blood as well as being a Vaizard, we have to wait and see though.

I just get the feeling that quite a few people expected Ichigo LONG before he was a shinigami, almost as if he was bred for a reason.

If he finds a new form, I wouldn't have any complaints if it was just Shirosaki's Bankai, or "White Bankai" I should say.

[UnknownMercinary]

When Zangetsu and Shirosaki finally become one with each other and Ichigo's sword will turn into a Hollow Zanpaktuo that will be stronger than both a Captain Class Bankai and an Espada Class Ressureccion. And he will be like WTFPWNZERZ on Ulquiorria. Cause that is basically the only way he has any chance in hell of survivng this fight.

Thats kinda like what i said before ^^

[Xiraiya]

Regardless of what we want, you know it'll be that hollow creature we saw during the Vaizard training, which would be awesome I guess but lame since Ichigo just looks like a hollow.

[UnknownMercinary]

OK that would be SICK, if Ichigo went into that full Hollow thing. Especially with his Bankai. If i remember right during the training he still kept hold of his zanpaktuo while he fought although he didnt really use it much.
(This post gave me my 12th seat)

[Suzaku]

OK that would be SICK, if Ichigo went into that full Hollow thing. Especially with his Bankai. If i remember right during the training he still kept hold of his zanpaktuo while he fought although he didnt really use it much.
(This post gave me my 12th seat)

Now that I understand what you meant, I guess that could happen. XD.

What's weird is... when a normal hollow gains more power, they also start to gain their sanity back but when a Shinigami gains more power, nothing changes about their sanity...

[InFecT]

that's because they have to train, ichigo couldn't always control his hollow side.

[Devilor]

There are different power levels to a persons bankai(byakuya= a hell lot of pink leaves, and the white imperial sword) ichigo just has to train his bankai further on

[Hellcats666]

There are different power levels to a persons bankai(byakuya= a hell lot of pink leaves, and the white imperial sword) ichigo just has to train his bankai further on

Those are alternate attacks within a Bankai. Mush like Fox mans and how Tousen has 2 abilities with Shikai.

[UnknownMercinary]

Komamura doesn't have different Bankai Abilities just the one. His shikai is the body part of the giant, then his Bankai is the entire black giant (Black Ropes of Divine Punishment). And yeah Tousen has Nake' which is like a paralyzing thing, then he also has the giant swords that come crashing down.

Byakuya has Bankai: Senbonzakura Kageyoshi which he condenses the pedals into Massacre Scene which he condenses into White Imperial Blade. They aren't levels they are abilities that come with Bankai.

Much like Ichigo gains Getsuga Tenshuo when in Shikai. Then he gains the insane speed bonus in Bankai!

[Devilor]

well anyway, ichigo can still train his bankai new skills

[AntiRyuko]

Yes he still can.. Now on topic..
Do i think Ichigo can get higher then bankai?
Answer : NO
Reason : ???

[BlackVizard]

i think he has to i mean its not like their going to just end the bleach franchise right there and i also think he's going to turn into the hollow beast like before because now he doesnt have a heart since ulq blew it out of his chest and thats what seperates hollow from vizard

[AntiRyuko]

Maybe.. But ITS like HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait till then.. Where can i watch Bleach Online? Im on Episode 195

[BlackVizard]

you can go on veoh.com i watch it there

hope it helps :D

[AntiRyuko]

Thanks, Vizard.. I need something faster though.. Myspace sucks cause all off their videos are unavailable but ill try Veoh again.. xD

[Lampard]

He has to find, or make his current look/power stronger. Otherwise the farther the show goes, the stronger his enemies will be.

[RoronoaFerdi]

i don't think you will surpass bankai with hollow mask!!!!!!;)

[_Dave_]

Maybe.. But ITS like HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait till then.. Where can i watch Bleach Online? Im on Episode 195

191-200 (http://www.planetbleach.com/watch-streaming-category/bleach-season-8/bleach-episodes-191-200/)
200-210 (http://www.planetbleach.com/watch-streaming-category/bleach-season-8/bleach-episodes-201-210/)

Or just go to 4bleach.com (http://4bleach.com/).... or Animecrazy (http://www.animecrazy.net/bleach-episode-196/) [after watching that, click the link on top saying the next episode name. you'll see it]

you welcome. +

[AntiRyuko]

Lol.. Thanks, Dave.. I wish i could rep you again.. And then you can rep me back :D

[almono]

but ichigo has hollow mask and it's better than bankai

[Lampard]

but ichigo has hollow mask and it's better than bankai

I think they mean by going in a normal growth.
Vizards are something out of the ordinary, only a selected ones have the power.

[BlackVizard]

umm i dont think he can with out the hollow mask i mean the mask is his way of surpassing the bankai and now if he turns completely hollow he will surpass his vizard form

correct if im wrong but the shinigami turned 1/2 hollow turned full hollow hasn't happened to any one yet

right?

[AntiRyuko]

Um.. Not as far as i watched it, but yea

[prcy]

and if u notice he grows stronger as he fights more wit the mask and its proven because the mask evn changes as he grows but alos dnt 4 get the more he grow the more his hollw self grow ...*spoiler* ( 4 sum ppl)

[andyman32]

I was wondering to my self before and I thought, I wonder if Ichigo will somehow find a form beyond Bankai.
I mean someone would have to have discovered Shikai & Bankai originally, what do you guys think?

Because he is going to have to become the strongest in the series somehow, it wouldn't surprise me if he found some new form involving his hollow power other than just that mask.

SPOILER DONT READ UNLESS U READ THE MANGA

so was I... what i think will happen is he will fight his inner hollow again, remember, before his inner hollow dissappeared he said "if u really want my power, don't die before we fight again." (well its something close to that anyway.) and he will be able to use ... whatever form he used when fighting Ulquiorra without almost killing his comrades. :D

[UnknownMercinary]

Ichigo's different hollow transformations don't count as a form beyond bankai. Bankai is what it is. And Hollow transformations are what they are. Ichigo will not, and can not find a form beyond bankai, because there is no form beyond bankai.

[Suzaku]

Ichigo's different hollow transformations don't count as a form beyond bankai. Bankai is what it is. And Hollow transformations are what they are. Ichigo will not, and can not find a form beyond bankai, because there is no form beyond bankai.

Hey, this guy is right ._., it wouldn't make sense to have another form after a "Final Form" (A.K.A Bankai).

[Hellcats666]

There is no known form beyond Bankai. If anybody cares to remember, we didn't even know that Bankai existed until it was shown. We also didn't know that Arrancar could use a Bankai equivalent until it was shown. I think its fair to say that a form beyond Bankai is quite possible, though I believe only those who have gained a higher level of enlightment could hope to achieve it. Only person I can see gaining it or possibly even having it is Yamamoto or Aizen. Ichigo may learn it but it would only be because hes the main character.

[Bo0ts]

Yea, but in terms of dbz... there is a bankai 2! and then a bankai 3!! you never know.... after all no one knew about super saiyen 2 , and etc...

[almono]

But Bleach isn't DBZ it is not the same anime so i dont think there will be something like bankai 2 or bankai 3...and dont compare bleach to DBZ

[LastAlive]

Before the series goes out Ichigo will die a hero supposely I put my bet on that and it's going to be due to his hollow that kills him, just making my prediction lol

[Hellcats666]

Before the series goes out Ichigo will die a hero supposely I put my bet on that and it's going to be due to his hollow that kills him, just making my prediction lol

Are we watching the same Anime here?

For starters, no hero EVER dies in Bleach. Hell, barely any of the important villains even die. Second, Kubo abuses plot protection worse then DBZ. People like Ichig, Rukia and Hitsugaya will never die, even when faced with somebody 500x their power.

[BlackSlob]

I don't believe he will ever achieve another form but eventually he will become as powerful as Kenpachi and have to wear something like an eye patch to massively reduce his spiritual pressure.

[Crimmsin]

Well no offense but I don't like ichigo, hes weak every time he fights its bankai, just like Hitsugaya and his bankai isn't even special all it does is make his sword black.If he found a form beyond bankai that would be BS because you have to remember that there are captains like Shuunsui that are way stronger than him that don't have a form beyond bankai.

[Hellcats666]

Yes but you must also remember that Ichigo is the main character. He reached captain level in less then a year when it has taken the other shinigami hundreds even thousands of years. With his inner Hollow, he probably even reaches past Shunsui and Unohana, yet he still has countless years of growth to come.

Personally, I think Ichigo is one of the worst main characters around. No to mention his shikai and Bankai are boring as hell. Sadly this wont stop him from gaining a "SSJ3" and destroying everyone.

[Hitsugaya830]

DOesn't ichigo have the hollow mask frm training with the vizoreds? That makes him unbelieveably powerful =]

[UnknownMercinary]

.......Ill let hellcats answer you hitsugaya.

@Hellcats. He is the main character, and yes he is definately "Stronger"(note the air quotes) than most of the captains. But in the hundreds of thousands of years that all the shinigami have been around, no one has gone past bankai. Doesn't bankai translate into "Final Form"?
So even though Kubo is a fanboy of his own anime. I still don't think he would go that far.

[Crimmsin]

All im saying is Ichigo is a extremely corny character. The only reason I like bleach is Some of the captains and the arrancars.... Other than that I would be fine if Bleach didn't have characters I hitsu and Ichigo.

[Hellcats666]

Hellcats. He is the main character, and yes he is definately "Stronger"(note the air quotes) than most of the captains. But in the hundreds of thousands of years that all the shinigami have been around, no one has gone past bankai. Doesn't bankai translate into "Final Form"? So even though Kubo is a fanboy of his own anime. I still don't think he would go that far.

The same could be said for DBZ, which Bleach has more or less become. Out of countless millennium and billions of Saiyans, only a select few ever attained Super Saiyan, yet in the show we suddenly end up with around 7-8 Super Saiyans within a 20 year span, many of which achieve Super Saiyan 2 and 3.

The way things are going, and the way Ichigo has shown little improvement with his current Bankai, I wont be surprised to see a "Bankai 2" or some such crap.

[CapnKensei]

I wont be surprised to see a "Bankai 2" or some such crap.

Ichigo's gotta evolve somehow if he wants to beat Aizen right? Which is probably what he'll do since...he's Ichigo. :rolleyes:

[Bo0ts]

I don't think they will add more to the shinigami bankai theory accept for doing a shinigami+hollow thing to combine them~ I believe they will just emphasize the hollow factor right now--- the only thing that makes ichigo any sort of unique.

[BryantTehpwn]

Simple this is a Shōnen manga and one thing you must know from reading these mangas they can pull anything out their ass,especially the main characters.

[Zampakto]

what you mean not including his Hollow form??
hm..... well bankai means full release so maybe a word that means secong release or something hm......................

[Gawain]

well, I don't think Ichigo has reached his full potential in bankai. either the ten year experiance to completly master is the same for Ichigo, or he gains experiance just as fast as he does with every thing else.

[nucl3ar]

Well from my understanding Even shims have a final release as in one more after bankai tho we have yet to see anyone do it, im thinkin gthe first preson to do so will be ichigo or old man yumo

[dragothpaine]

i really dont think he will i think hell just improve on it

[ZeroDream]

ichigo won't find anything beyond the shinigami's bankai cuz bankai is final release

[ShadowUchiha64]

Some Bankais have more then one technique/move/forms like Byakuyas. Ichigo's bankai will probably get stronger from that.

[dragothpaine]

what there saying there could be a stronger 1 then Bankai because someone else found put about Bankai so ichigo could find an even stronger 1

[LadyRukia]

Ichigo is Strong but i dont know if his bankai is his full power i still think he can go beyond that even more

[Nyc]

Well I think his max potential can be viewed out by his hollow form, usually when they fight he turns into bankai and experses techniques yet not used by Ichigo, like for example the getsuga implosion he does.

[ChaosReaper7]

Idk if this has been said already but When ichigo fights ulq. in hueco mundo he eventually goes over his full hollow transformation and turns into what i presume to be a vasto lorde so im guessing thats over his bankai already .__.

[Scapeman198]

He probably wont find a new form beyond bankai but there is a likely chance he could create one ^^

[Aexon]

well vasto lorde form isn't really over bankai cuz it has nothing to with his zanpakuto. its more like his hollow evolved for a short period of time because he "died" so it took over

[Gamaster320]

no the only other combination he can do is some sort of 2 resurrecion form and bankai, the reason bankai is called the final stage or whatever its called the reason is because it involves some sort of fusion whether it involves something like ichigos bankai or renjis or a command of the zanpaktous actual form like mayuris or komamuras or renjis(he kinda counts for both)

[Hellcats666]

Once again, simply because we currently see that everyone has Bankai, doesn't mean there isn't a form beyond it. This is Kubo, his entire plot has been contrived and stereotypical, I wont be surprised to see Ichigo gain 2 forms beyond Bankai.

[dragoth]

well ichgo is a substitute soul reaper so i don't think will but he is strong and determined

[Talia]

i think ichigo will find a new form past bankai. because heck he fought and won agains like 4 or 5 captains in the second season.... ichigo will most likely find another form. heck he might even become the strongest soul reaper that ever lived. and besides ichigo was born to be a soul reaper esspecally because his dad was a soul reaper captain.

[ChaosReaper7]

well ichgo is a substitute soul reaper so i don't think will but he is strong and determined
Well you no if we go with the theory of that hes a substiture reaper, then it would be AMAZING he reached bankai, so ichigo really has surpassed substitute reaper status v.v

I agree with hellcats, especially since we don't no for sure if bankai is final form v.v... Urahara will probably tell him something in the lines of "your bankai hasn't reached 100 % capacity, so u need to train more", he'll eventually be able to control his "vosto lorde" hollow form, and im guessing he'll even pop up with a zukia or some shit like that. that goes above bankai, but of course this is only my opinion ._.

[dragoth]

hahaha it be funny if they used zukia

[iDarkness]

Lol Ichigo already has his hollow form.. but if he somehow got a form after that...hmm..
he'd be unstoppable :D

[NocheDelSol]

He did get one. Or, at least, a jacked-up hollow form.

[kenpachizira]

he does in fact have anouther form of bankai beyond the one aas a vizard at least i have seen some wicked pics of it if you serch google you will find the right picture link below

http://img3.cdn.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/06192008/c/7/f/2/c7f267d04476c0_full.jpg

[Karma]

It's a freakin' fan-art -.-..
But I'm just guessing that Ichigo is gonna have a Resureccion. Yeah, on Tousen's case, Tousen has nothing to resurrect to, but then again, Ichigo could resurrect into some combination of his Inner Hollow and himself.

[newman1992]

I think that maybe his full hollow form he used against ulquiorra might turn out to be his resurreccion....just throwing that out there.

[Axoyothe]

Ya i agree with new , i think he will do Hollow King form again :D

[triplew]

well tousen knew vizard and something beyond which was ressurection so high posssibility ichigo will have something beyond

[ReapKid]

I think ichigo will discover a form converting both his vizard and inner powers so yeah i agree with Karma.

[morrisc311]

I think it would be cool if zangetsu split in two and he had dual zanpaktus and the bankai from the second zanpaktu was an all white bankai with a white getsuga tenshou

[Goku_Kitsune]

I think it would be cool if zangetsu split in two and he had dual zanpaktus and the bankai from the second zanpaktu was an all white bankai with a white getsuga tenshou

Tha is the most dumbest thing i have ever heard.... I read first 2 pages, and this last one... Ichigo will only have his full hollow, and nothing beyond bankai.
I think he will learn a new trick to it, since it is spose to take 10 years to master it, and fully unlock it. Hollow mask should be for his normal form too. I dont like that he has to go to Bankia just to do it.

[Zien]

Ichigo will end up kicking Aizens ass because he hasn't seen Aizens Shikai. That being the case Ichigo is basically one of the most strongest characters in Bleach

[Karma]

Tha is the most dumbest thing i have ever heard.... I read first 2 pages, and this last one... Ichigo will only have his full hollow, and nothing beyond bankai.
I think he will learn a new trick to it, since it is spose to take 10 years to master it, and fully unlock it. Hollow mask should be for his normal form too. I dont like that he has to go to Bankia just to do it.
He has never had to go Bankai to use his Hollow Mask. The first time he even used Bankai + Hollow Mask was against Grimmjow (but then his mask lasted less than 10 sec and he lost).

I think, Ichigo will learn a Resureccion.

[Axoyothe]

Well he did it vs. Privaron Espada too later and ownd him and agianst lost to Grimmjow but cut him down without the mask (which makes no sense) and got ownd vs. Ulquiorra so if hes gonna do something with Aizen he would need somethig beyond .

[GuillotineSX]

Well he went all hollow on Ulquiorra, and he has a new mask. So I'm assuming they're going to develop that more. I mean they wouldnt give him a new mask and then just leave it there. So there will probably be a new form. I just think its a little messy, I mean they just gave him a new form in the fight against Ulquiorra, and now again against Aizen. I'm just hoping he'll be able to transform into that hollow mode again.

[UnknownMercinary]

How in the eff is this post still alive....

Hollow isnt a form past bankai its an entirely new line... its like ----<
---being shikai and < being the split between bankai and hollow, they both grow equally, but seperately.

And if no one in the history of the hundreds of thousands of years of soul society existance, no one else has found something past bankai, i doubt ichigo will.....

[zaquri]

Yea, but in terms of dbz... there is a bankai 2! and then a bankai 3!! you never know.... after all no one knew about super saiyen 2 , and etc...

Correct, DBZ Characters were Ignorant. They did not know about Super sayian two until they transformed into it themselves but You cannot compare that situation to this one because If there was a form beyond bankai, In the thousands upon thousands of years and generations of Shinigami Captains Im sure that at least one Captain would have already learned or had knowledge of such a form. Ichigo is a special case because he came across death numerous times and he has a Captain for a father, That hardly gives him the right to a power beyond Bankai, If anything As stated before the Captain commander would have probably attained it already.

But it wouldn't be wrong to assume that Ressureccion is the next form after Bankai. Being a shinigami gives you limits right? Which is where hollow powers come in (Vizards) And if they can break down the barrier to their limits then its possible that they can reach a form beyond bankai. Tosen is a perfect example of what I am talking about, He can use Ressureccion in his Vizard form and he is half shinigami.

[AfroSamurai]

I was wondering to my self before and I thought, I wonder if Ichigo will somehow find a form beyond Bankai.
I mean someone would have to have discovered Shikai & Bankai originally, what do you guys think?

Because he is going to have to become the strongest in the series somehow, it wouldn't surprise me if he found some new form involving his hollow power other than just that mask.

Dont forget that the whole point of Ichigo having the mask was apart of Aizens plan so its probally gonna be used to hurt him rather than help him to acheiving a higher zanpaktou status

[Shinozaki]

Im pretty sure there is a such thing as a level of power beyond Bankai maybe just not revealed in anime or manga. or maybe he wont pass beyond bankai but maybe pass Hollow mask to Hollow form? so sumthing idk it can be very debatable.

[Mashirokuna]

Im pretty sure there is a such thing as a level of power beyond Bankai maybe just not revealed in anime or manga. or maybe he wont pass beyond bankai but maybe pass Hollow mask to Hollow form? so sumthing idk it can be very debatable.

He hasent even mastered cero or any real hollow abiltys, so that should come first, well logicaly.

[hitsugayanaruto]

ok.... clearly the thread says that do you think Ichigo will discover a new form something in the Zanpaktou(not vaizard skills) so i must say maybe....when the user discovers his swords name they start to become stronger till the zanpaktou becomes good friends with the user and teach him new skills...after he is done and the relationship grows more he will know his zanpaktous full name and learn bankai.
after that there is nothing more the zanpaktou left to teach the user....so there is nothing left but the zanpaktou and the user train togeather they will just learn new attacks...and discover a new form of bankai just like Byakuya trained with senbonsakura and after 1000 years they discovered 2 forms...thats my opnion.so there is nothing beyond it unless kubo wanted to add something.

[Karma]

I find it to be a fairly simple question (no, Ichigo won't be having any new forms of bankai).

Resurreccion.

[daka492]

he might get new moves u just dont know lol his moves have not been fully revealed lol and i cant wait for gin's BANKAI

[pxltja]

I go with the fact that they won't be giving Ichigo any "form" after bankai (not a shinigami form atleast. As stated here before, I think resurreccion is a good example of possible upgrades or some hollow-like abilities. I'd rather prefer Ichigo to have a good inner talk with zangetsu again (eventhough it takes like 3 episodes before he shuts up) and learn some new move besides his Getsuga Tenshou that's getting a bit too obvious.
Something like the Hollow Getsuga Tenshou in Zanpakutou rebellion arc

[GuillotineSX]

Ichigo already has a resurreccion type form. He used it to defeat Ulquiorra. He can't control it but it's there.

[pxltja]

Ichigo already has a resurreccion type form. He used it to defeat Ulquiorra. He can't control it but it's there.

true, but Ichigo is a vizard (or something in between shinigami and hollow, considering he got both powers at the same moment) and ulqiuorra is a fullblood hollow, so it kind of depends on what POV you have considering that issue.

[sor1n]

Or maybe he'll discover like a second form of Bankai, if Ulquiorra has a 2nd Resurreccion, why not having a 2nd form of Bankai ?

[CrnJacKer]

Well, first of all, he WILL achieve better and more advanced hollow powers, that's for sure.

However, something beyond Bonkai.. IMO, that's possible.

I think that the term (or lets just put this as a theory) "Shikai" and "Bonkai" were probably

invented by the Soul Society themselves, because they only managed to achieve 2 releases (which they call half-release, and full-release).

However, seeming as Ichigo is the main character after all. He MUST be special than the others. I'm guessing that it is possible for Ichigo to come up with a new sword release (I hope they called it Trikai, lmao).

However, that would be rare, if that doesn't happen, then there must be at least a new Bonkai skill.

Less hollow improvement, more Bonkai improvement pl0x.

[rumjello]

i know this is not the spott to do it and i just realized we died

[lupie]

yes, its the bankai but it goes farther its so cool and ill show who ever wants to know if the keep contact with me.trust me its gona be the best picture you've seen in your life.;)

[SkaterB0yy]

I wanna know what his mom is >_<

[hitsugayanaruto]

Ichigo can be different from others as i said bankai is the highest shinigami form... vaizard just gives u hollow powers it has nothing to do with another release that has connection with a Zanpakuto ok maybe a little but still its not a 3rd release....again i say if they want to make ichigo special then they will just teach him new skills well Byakuya did train over 1000 years and has like i dont know 3 forms of bankai or something like that.... ok in other words new bankai attacks so i guess they will do the same to ichigo or any other character...also if ichigo is a half human then maybe his mom is human and his dad is a shinigami eh just a guess

[JTM93]

ichigo will most likely learn a Resurrección similar to how Tōsen did.

[zangetsu127]

from my perspective ichigo is neither shinigami, vizard, hollow, or arrancar. the next power that he will find is his resereccion and if i had to place a number on his powers like the espada i would say negative 10 since the lower the number the stronger and more lethal the espada but for those who like the positive numbers i would place him at zero at least a bit stronger than yammy rialgo

[Karma]

ichigo will most likely learn a Resurrección similar to how Tōsen did.
I doubt that he learned it. I'm sure it was given to him by Aizen's Hogyoku.

[pizmaker12]

he had on the manga he learned the final getrsuga tenshou which fused him with zangetsu and his inner hollow

[Hitsuayaga]

Thats not his Ressurection thats just like another Form like Aizen million forms Butterflyzen etc and Ishida Final Quincy Form

[shikon65]

His hollow mask seems to stay on a lot longer the more episodes I I think the battle with grimjow he went beyond his limit and ever sence then he can use the mask of his longer.

[Zelse1217]

so my question is what is the form he uses when he fights Aizen i was under the assumtion that was beyond bankai...he no longer needs his spirtual pressure

[jim_kenpachi]

its beyond everything and everyone. And his reiatsu has exeded the lvl of
everyone else and thats why the others couldnt sense him

[Mugetsu4321]

ichigos next form ===v
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljxu9oDE7G1qfm48vo1_500.jpg

[jim_kenpachi]

duhhh.... i dont really like it..... its cool but...

[cooljay230]

Well,SPOILER ALERT !!! after the fight with aizen and the filler arc ,he lose all his powers so .... eventually he will find a new power called fullbringer or something and this power is supposed to help him get his soul reaper powers back .there were 2 forms of his full bringer but the finishing looks like this (his new form) : http://http://http://www.mangabit.com/manga...er/455/page/22

[SoulVenom]

Well,SPOILER ALERT !!! after the fight with aizen and the filler arc ,he lose all his powers so .... eventually he will find a new power called fullbringer or something and this power is supposed to help him get his soul reaper powers back .there were 2 forms of his full bringer but the finishing looks like this (his new form) : http://http://http://www.mangabit.com/manga...er/455/page/22

Thanks for reviving this old thread for old news

[Darthwin]

well since it is already revived I assume his fullbringer powers will be used with his shinigami powers in some way. Won't be a new form, but it will give him a small boost of power.

[Kenzen]

Maybe after Sosuke returns and shows his own Bankai, Ichigo will find such a form. Though such a form is even harder to imagine that Sosuke's Bankai.

[Killerspong]

Whysonecromantic? @ Kenzen.

[Kenzen]

Whysonecromantic? @ Kenzen.
Eh? Why not? But you could have asked me this though a PM instead of posting in this thread.